I'm not sure either, but it might be because it's more electro-house than grime, and a lot of grime fans seem to dislike other styles of dance music. Grime was initially a rebellion against the banal silliness of speed garage - these artists wanted garage to have more depth, and especially more of a lyrical focus. Wearing my Rolex is almost everything grime rebelled again. This isn't an attack on the track: I think there's nothing inherently wrong with music that only aims to be fun.
However, I see their point. Whenever a genre becomes exclusively about fun, it often very rapidly becomes exclusively about money. Grime essentially became the voice of London's underprivileged, and I can understand why people would see a track like "Wearing my Rolex" as a threat to that: it tells major corporations that grime is commercially viable. Cue major label execs, and shortly after, a loss of all originality in the genre.
I gave up on Global Underground mixes after listening to around 9 of them, all of which were dull: I couldn't even tell most of them apart by ear. Still, I'll give that one a try, since it's pre-2000 Sasha.
I agree about trance mixes - especially hearing them put together live at a rave or club.
It apparently already is blowing up in mainstream clubs in the UK in a form called "funky," which is basically funky house dubstep. Funky so far hasn't impressed me to the extent the other subgenres have, but I haven't explored it too much yet.
Your argument for The Theme doesn't work, simply because most dance tracks enjoyed by people who are not fans of dance music are almost universally considered terrible - or at best average - by people who are. IE: Crazy Frog, DJ Sammy's Heaven and Boys of Summer, Butterfly, The Hampsterdance, Special D, etc.. Even the better examples (IE Sandstorm, Children) are always fairly middle of the road: not favorites of most dance fans, but tolerated and considered decent. I find it a bit hard to believe you've been listening to trance since the mid-90s, considering you don't know that. I've never met a trance fan who hadn't figured that out within about 3 months of listening, and I've met a lot of them.
Yes, Doboy is just a DJ, but the fact that the one association you gave us to the track was his name means all we know about it is that a DJ famous for having bad taste in music likes it. I mean, you wouldn't promote a hip-hop track by stating that it's a favorite of Vanilla Ice or Soulja Boy.
Hard trance is acceptable, but I don't have a lot on the list simply because I haven't heard much that's very good. Most that I've come across is simply epic or anthem trance with +2 pitch and a bit of distortion applied to the beats. Which, by the way, is essentially the concept of hard trance. I've heard a lot: about 10 Tunnel mixes, some Cosmic Gate sets, at least 12 hours tuned into DI's hard trance channel - and I've found very little that doesn't fit that description. Styles based around being the HARD HARD HARDCORE version of another - with nothing else to offer - tend to be fairly weak (especially when whatever it's "toughening up" is already not all that creative). Excepting some early 90's dance genres, I actually can't think of one example of a style that made this work. Maybe grime? Although that added dub influences and put the focus back on the MC. Techstep? Nope, techno motifs applied to jungle.
I think I know what you meant when you said "not a bad try creating the list," and I thank you for your intended praise. However, I should point out that this phrase almost universally means: "You don't really know what you're talking about, but at least you're making an effort to be one o' the big boys like me."
Felix's Don't You Want Me is a really big stretch for this list.
What? There are something like 25 goa/psy tracks on the entire list. For a demonstration, press ctrl-f, then type "psytrance." In case you're thick (and I've seen no evidence to the contrary), press enter to go to the next item. If anything, psytrance is underrepresented.
I disagree about the original mix of Nothing. I actually outright don't like it - the vocal cut-up is what makes the track. In fact, the 93 Returning mix is the classic version. Perhaps consider your own advice: just because it's older doesn't mean it's better.
Anyway, my list certainly isn't weighted based on predation/age of tracks - I mean, look at all the early-late 2000s minimal trance on there (which you make no mention of in your own suggestions. Again, own advice?).
As for your influence "criticism", there are many examples of tracks on the list that are directly influenced by (also-included) earlier tracks. IE: both Quench - Dreams and Lost Tribe - Gamemaster are listed. Gamemaster - which is literally just Dreams plus a breakdown, a synth, and some vocals - even has the higher position. Nice observation skills, Sherlock. Did you even look at the list before posting? I don't mind criticism and suggestions, but if you're going to do either, try not to be completely ignorant. Oh, especially when you provide no suggestions for improvement. I don't see any of those "pure classics from the latter 90s" that I'm supposedly missing listed in your post.
Also, by "are you kidding me" do you mean too high, or too low? I've heard it both ways on that track. I really think it's fine where it is. But then again, with your fine observation and critical thinking abilities, not to mention your deep knowledge of electronic music, who knows? Maybe you'll convince me. That argument you had above was pretty good: "Dude, are you kidding me?" When I read it, I started to wonder...was I just kidding?! Did I really intend to put the track there? Or was it just a joke I laid out to cleverly ensnare my readers into believing Cygnus X's remix of Madagascar is slightly better or worse than it actually is? But then I remembered you're a moron.
How long have you been listening to trance, sonny?
Thanks! XD
Haha, I'm glad you clarified that. ASOT has been an artistic wasteland for several years now.
I'm not sure either, but it might be because it's more electro-house than grime, and a lot of grime fans seem to dislike other styles of dance music. Grime was initially a rebellion against the banal silliness of speed garage - these artists wanted garage to have more depth, and especially more of a lyrical focus. Wearing my Rolex is almost everything grime rebelled again. This isn't an attack on the track: I think there's nothing inherently wrong with music that only aims to be fun.
However, I see their point. Whenever a genre becomes exclusively about fun, it often very rapidly becomes exclusively about money. Grime essentially became the voice of London's underprivileged, and I can understand why people would see a track like "Wearing my Rolex" as a threat to that: it tells major corporations that grime is commercially viable. Cue major label execs, and shortly after, a loss of all originality in the genre.
I've actually never heard any of those tracks, I'll check them out. Thanks for the suggestions.
I'm glad you like the lists :D
I gave up on Global Underground mixes after listening to around 9 of them, all of which were dull: I couldn't even tell most of them apart by ear. Still, I'll give that one a try, since it's pre-2000 Sasha.
I agree about trance mixes - especially hearing them put together live at a rave or club.
Thanks, I'll check out your suggestions.
It apparently already is blowing up in mainstream clubs in the UK in a form called "funky," which is basically funky house dubstep. Funky so far hasn't impressed me to the extent the other subgenres have, but I haven't explored it too much yet.
Yep, same here. That's a great sound. I'll check those two tracks out (and probably love them).
Yeah, I agree. Good pick, it deserves a place here.
Pretty good, I've got a favorites list up now:
http://www.listology.com/content_show.cfm/content_id.38188
Yeah, I'm a big fan of that mix too, I'm not sure why the others are more popular.
Thanks, that helped. I'll try to download it.
Indeed, it's beautiful. I really love it.
Your argument for The Theme doesn't work, simply because most dance tracks enjoyed by people who are not fans of dance music are almost universally considered terrible - or at best average - by people who are. IE: Crazy Frog, DJ Sammy's Heaven and Boys of Summer, Butterfly, The Hampsterdance, Special D, etc.. Even the better examples (IE Sandstorm, Children) are always fairly middle of the road: not favorites of most dance fans, but tolerated and considered decent. I find it a bit hard to believe you've been listening to trance since the mid-90s, considering you don't know that. I've never met a trance fan who hadn't figured that out within about 3 months of listening, and I've met a lot of them.
Yes, Doboy is just a DJ, but the fact that the one association you gave us to the track was his name means all we know about it is that a DJ famous for having bad taste in music likes it. I mean, you wouldn't promote a hip-hop track by stating that it's a favorite of Vanilla Ice or Soulja Boy.
Hard trance is acceptable, but I don't have a lot on the list simply because I haven't heard much that's very good. Most that I've come across is simply epic or anthem trance with +2 pitch and a bit of distortion applied to the beats. Which, by the way, is essentially the concept of hard trance. I've heard a lot: about 10 Tunnel mixes, some Cosmic Gate sets, at least 12 hours tuned into DI's hard trance channel - and I've found very little that doesn't fit that description. Styles based around being the HARD HARD HARDCORE version of another - with nothing else to offer - tend to be fairly weak (especially when whatever it's "toughening up" is already not all that creative). Excepting some early 90's dance genres, I actually can't think of one example of a style that made this work. Maybe grime? Although that added dub influences and put the focus back on the MC. Techstep? Nope, techno motifs applied to jungle.
I think I know what you meant when you said "not a bad try creating the list," and I thank you for your intended praise. However, I should point out that this phrase almost universally means: "You don't really know what you're talking about, but at least you're making an effort to be one o' the big boys like me."
Felix's Don't You Want Me is a really big stretch for this list.
There you go, that's how to make a suggestion.
Yeah, I'd forgotten about this one. Pretty good track. Worthy of a spot somewhere in the middle. Thanks.
What? There are something like 25 goa/psy tracks on the entire list. For a demonstration, press ctrl-f, then type "psytrance." In case you're thick (and I've seen no evidence to the contrary), press enter to go to the next item. If anything, psytrance is underrepresented.
I disagree about the original mix of Nothing. I actually outright don't like it - the vocal cut-up is what makes the track. In fact, the 93 Returning mix is the classic version. Perhaps consider your own advice: just because it's older doesn't mean it's better.
Anyway, my list certainly isn't weighted based on predation/age of tracks - I mean, look at all the early-late 2000s minimal trance on there (which you make no mention of in your own suggestions. Again, own advice?).
As for your influence "criticism", there are many examples of tracks on the list that are directly influenced by (also-included) earlier tracks. IE: both Quench - Dreams and Lost Tribe - Gamemaster are listed. Gamemaster - which is literally just Dreams plus a breakdown, a synth, and some vocals - even has the higher position. Nice observation skills, Sherlock. Did you even look at the list before posting? I don't mind criticism and suggestions, but if you're going to do either, try not to be completely ignorant. Oh, especially when you provide no suggestions for improvement. I don't see any of those "pure classics from the latter 90s" that I'm supposedly missing listed in your post.
Also, by "are you kidding me" do you mean too high, or too low? I've heard it both ways on that track. I really think it's fine where it is. But then again, with your fine observation and critical thinking abilities, not to mention your deep knowledge of electronic music, who knows? Maybe you'll convince me. That argument you had above was pretty good: "Dude, are you kidding me?" When I read it, I started to wonder...was I just kidding?! Did I really intend to put the track there? Or was it just a joke I laid out to cleverly ensnare my readers into believing Cygnus X's remix of Madagascar is slightly better or worse than it actually is? But then I remembered you're a moron.
How long have you been listening to trance, sonny?
Hmmm...I can't find it on discogs. What year is it?