This was supposed to be on Pepper but I think George Martin said it wasn't a great song. I'm still wondering why it wasn't on Sgt Pepper. This is by far the most psychedelic song the Beatles did as a cohesive unit. George has got that organ and vocal, Paul with his groovy bass line and that crazy trumpet, Ringo on his kit and John's the one doing all those weird piano and glockenspiel like sounds in the background.
Progressive Rock is a rock subgenre hence it's more influenced by rock music. We can argue this but IMO progressive rock was highly influenced by the psychedelic rock music of British Rock Artists more so than avant-garde musicians. You can't lump one band as the origin of progressive rock but the Beatles were an antecedent for progressive rock. Hence why many call the Beatles as well the Doors as proto-prog. The Beatles were a key early influence on most of the early progressive rock bands even on Robert Fripp.
I am well aware of The Seventh Sons "Raga" but it does not use Indian instruments not to take away from what their doing. "Love You To" is full blown fusion of classical Indian and pop/rock music. I think you know the difference.
Zappa was not behind the times or nor the Beatles in terms of what was going on in their genre. Frank Zappa "Who Are The Brain Police? and the Beatles "Tomorrow Never Knows" are not behind the times. They were using the technology and used it in innovative ways. The Beatles they were blurring the lines of rock and pop music. The backward guitar lines on "I'm Only Sleeping" or adding tamboura on "Tomorrow Never Knows". The loops of "Tomorrow Never Knows" were only in common use by the likes of avant-garde composers like John Cage, Karlheinz Stockhausen and a few others before Revolver, but afterwards, the tape loop became one of the common sounds heard when bands wanted to create spacy, psychedelic weird sounds… and they did the same thing with the mellotron.
Sgt Pepper intergrates pop music with psychedelia, classical Indian, avant garde, and classical music sometimes in the course of one song. The Beatles were basically a pop fusion band. Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica comes what two years after Sgt Pepper and three years after Revolver and Freak Out. So that in aspect was Beefheart was behind the times? No one artist invented anything, music constantly evolves and builds on past influences.
I prefer the Beatles kind of psych/pop style than say Pink Floyd Piper or the Doors. I'm not saying it's better but I like it more a song like "Only a Northern Song" is a very psychedelic without nary a guitar is one of many examples.
Yes this album is based on it's influence and what I think are the best part of the psychedelic rock genre. This is not based on what is the most out there or most psychedelic rock albums ever.
Ok let's be dismissive and say the Beatles could have done anything and be accepted. It's not as easy as that. Instead I gave them credit and many others will say helped pushed the boundaries of what rock groups were capable of, but they were still operating as a cohesive unit. And yes, this stylistic stretching of the canvass like Revolver helped to set the stage for prog.
I only have Revolver ranked 54 as my greatest psychedelic albums but I respect what's going on there like The full-blown raga sounds of "Love You To" had never touched a slab of rock and roll vinyl before Revolver, but they could be found on more psychedelic albums in the following years. What’s really important is the quality of the songwriting was superb overall (despite a handful of throwaways) and their sound was increasingly confident and innovative
I love the music of the Doors debut album but it's still very traditional in it's approach to instrumentation and Western forms of music despite how weird it sounds. What matters is the quality of the songwriting so in that aspect I can't disagree if you think The Doors is your greatest album.
When Revolver was being recorded psychedelic rock was in its infancy and it was really a prelude to Sgt Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour. Yet to me Revolver is IMO much better. I think some of you guys on Listology miss the essence of the Beatles. Albums like Revolver and Sgt.Pepper are not the most experimental albums ever though "Strawberry Fields Forever" is very experimental and it's not on either album. Creating effects to make psychedelic music is really part of the compositional process in writing songs at the time. Using the studio as an instrument was also part of the songwriting process. So when you hear effects on Sgt. Pepper it's part of the song. Everyone was doing it at the time not just pop/rock music.
It's a fact they were experimental with great songs done by the world's greatest pop group showing that rock could be a serious genre. It was one thing for the Velvet Underground, Pink Floyd or Frank Zappa do their weird experimental stuff. Their ideas may have been more out there than the Beatles. The fact is that since they were not on the world stage of music at this point, they could be dismissed as an anomaly. The Beatles put out an album with the experimental trappings, without sacrificing all of their great melodies, the world had no choice but to take notice. Rock, pop, and all of it's cousins, was here to stay.
Listen to what's going on with Revolver including the single "Rain"/"Paperback Writer" you had ""Eleanor Rigby," "I'm Only Sleeping," "Love You To," "She Said She Said," "Good Day Sunshine," "I Want To Tell You," Taxman," and "Tomorrow Never Knows" are pretty revelatory and groundbreaking for pop in general, in the realms of garage styling, guitar-less tracks, backwards dubbing, Indian music, guitar amplification, bass augmentation, avant-garde structuring, and sampling. "Tomorrow Never Knows" had feedback/psychedelic loops/backward-tapes rock over a loud drum and bass sound nothing like it really before. No artist invented anything, music constantly evolves and builds on past influences.
Why do Beatles fans bother you guys? Any one who thinks the Beatles wrote simple songs are musical knobheads. The amount of musicians who love the Beatles musically or were influenced by them carries a lot more weight than Scaruffi. The Beatles wrote some of the most popular tunes in the rock era. "A Day in the Life" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" betters or matches anything that Dylan, The Byrds, or the Velvet Underground ever did. In many ways the compositions go way beyond the normal three minute song. I hate revisionist history and Neptune the Beatles will be discussed in 100 years from now while most rock artists will long be in the dust bin.
Richards and Jagger much of their compositions are derivative of Chuck Berry and blues music. They were strictly 1-4-5 band with variations of that theme.
When they branched out they copied what was popular whether it was the Beatles, Pink Floyd or Disco. They had exceptions like "Sympathy For the Devil". We disagree.
The Rolling Stones?, The Velvet Underground?. Composing music is more than three chords and drone. Nice to have opinions but let's not reinvent history.
John Lennon
Paul McCartney
Peter Gabriel
Steve Hackett
Robert Fripp
Ian Anderson
Jon Anderson
Chris Squire
Bill Bruford
Tony Banks
Roger Waters
David Gilmour
Steve Howe
Kieth Emerson
Touchy are you. It's not like I disagree with everything you said. If you put a list and people disagree with you why bother putting on a list. The Rolling Stones were hardly great composers of music but they were great songwriters like Bob Dylan which is a difference.
I might have never heard of Lullaby Land or Twin Infinitives but I know the difference between songwriting and composing. Zappa was a great composer but a lousy songwriter.
The psychedelic community co-opted the newfound Electronic instruments and keyboards and injected them into the music.
The Beatles - Tomorrow Never Knows (1966) This is one of the most influential electronc songs. In many ways it is the blueprint with it's drum and bass drone rhythm, looped effects, use of electronic instrument (mellotron), and vocal distortion. The Chemical Brothers "Let forever Be" – demonstrates how modern was Tomorrow never knows; in fact, these two songs have many aspects in common.
Pink Floyd - Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun (1968)
Silver Apples - Ruby (1968)
Everyone is welcome to comment on my Guide to Early Electronica.
This was supposed to be on Pepper but I think George Martin said it wasn't a great song. I'm still wondering why it wasn't on Sgt Pepper. This is by far the most psychedelic song the Beatles did as a cohesive unit. George has got that organ and vocal, Paul with his groovy bass line and that crazy trumpet, Ringo on his kit and John's the one doing all those weird piano and glockenspiel like sounds in the background.
Progressive Rock is a rock subgenre hence it's more influenced by rock music. We can argue this but IMO progressive rock was highly influenced by the psychedelic rock music of British Rock Artists more so than avant-garde musicians. You can't lump one band as the origin of progressive rock but the Beatles were an antecedent for progressive rock. Hence why many call the Beatles as well the Doors as proto-prog. The Beatles were a key early influence on most of the early progressive rock bands even on Robert Fripp.
I am well aware of The Seventh Sons "Raga" but it does not use Indian instruments not to take away from what their doing. "Love You To" is full blown fusion of classical Indian and pop/rock music. I think you know the difference.
Zappa was not behind the times or nor the Beatles in terms of what was going on in their genre. Frank Zappa "Who Are The Brain Police? and the Beatles "Tomorrow Never Knows" are not behind the times. They were using the technology and used it in innovative ways. The Beatles they were blurring the lines of rock and pop music. The backward guitar lines on "I'm Only Sleeping" or adding tamboura on "Tomorrow Never Knows". The loops of "Tomorrow Never Knows" were only in common use by the likes of avant-garde composers like John Cage, Karlheinz Stockhausen and a few others before Revolver, but afterwards, the tape loop became one of the common sounds heard when bands wanted to create spacy, psychedelic weird sounds… and they did the same thing with the mellotron.
Sgt Pepper intergrates pop music with psychedelia, classical Indian, avant garde, and classical music sometimes in the course of one song. The Beatles were basically a pop fusion band. Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica comes what two years after Sgt Pepper and three years after Revolver and Freak Out. So that in aspect was Beefheart was behind the times? No one artist invented anything, music constantly evolves and builds on past influences.
I prefer the Beatles kind of psych/pop style than say Pink Floyd Piper or the Doors. I'm not saying it's better but I like it more a song like "Only a Northern Song" is a very psychedelic without nary a guitar is one of many examples.
Yes this album is based on it's influence and what I think are the best part of the psychedelic rock genre. This is not based on what is the most out there or most psychedelic rock albums ever.
Ok let's be dismissive and say the Beatles could have done anything and be accepted. It's not as easy as that. Instead I gave them credit and many others will say helped pushed the boundaries of what rock groups were capable of, but they were still operating as a cohesive unit. And yes, this stylistic stretching of the canvass like Revolver helped to set the stage for prog.
I only have Revolver ranked 54 as my greatest psychedelic albums but I respect what's going on there like The full-blown raga sounds of "Love You To" had never touched a slab of rock and roll vinyl before Revolver, but they could be found on more psychedelic albums in the following years. What’s really important is the quality of the songwriting was superb overall (despite a handful of throwaways) and their sound was increasingly confident and innovative
I love the music of the Doors debut album but it's still very traditional in it's approach to instrumentation and Western forms of music despite how weird it sounds. What matters is the quality of the songwriting so in that aspect I can't disagree if you think The Doors is your greatest album.
When Revolver was being recorded psychedelic rock was in its infancy and it was really a prelude to Sgt Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour. Yet to me Revolver is IMO much better. I think some of you guys on Listology miss the essence of the Beatles. Albums like Revolver and Sgt.Pepper are not the most experimental albums ever though "Strawberry Fields Forever" is very experimental and it's not on either album. Creating effects to make psychedelic music is really part of the compositional process in writing songs at the time. Using the studio as an instrument was also part of the songwriting process. So when you hear effects on Sgt. Pepper it's part of the song. Everyone was doing it at the time not just pop/rock music.
It's a fact they were experimental with great songs done by the world's greatest pop group showing that rock could be a serious genre. It was one thing for the Velvet Underground, Pink Floyd or Frank Zappa do their weird experimental stuff. Their ideas may have been more out there than the Beatles. The fact is that since they were not on the world stage of music at this point, they could be dismissed as an anomaly. The Beatles put out an album with the experimental trappings, without sacrificing all of their great melodies, the world had no choice but to take notice. Rock, pop, and all of it's cousins, was here to stay.
Listen to what's going on with Revolver including the single "Rain"/"Paperback Writer" you had ""Eleanor Rigby," "I'm Only Sleeping," "Love You To," "She Said She Said," "Good Day Sunshine," "I Want To Tell You," Taxman," and "Tomorrow Never Knows" are pretty revelatory and groundbreaking for pop in general, in the realms of garage styling, guitar-less tracks, backwards dubbing, Indian music, guitar amplification, bass augmentation, avant-garde structuring, and sampling. "Tomorrow Never Knows" had feedback/psychedelic loops/backward-tapes rock over a loud drum and bass sound nothing like it really before. No artist invented anything, music constantly evolves and builds on past influences.
Why do Beatles fans bother you guys? Any one who thinks the Beatles wrote simple songs are musical knobheads. The amount of musicians who love the Beatles musically or were influenced by them carries a lot more weight than Scaruffi. The Beatles wrote some of the most popular tunes in the rock era. "A Day in the Life" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" betters or matches anything that Dylan, The Byrds, or the Velvet Underground ever did. In many ways the compositions go way beyond the normal three minute song. I hate revisionist history and Neptune the Beatles will be discussed in 100 years from now while most rock artists will long be in the dust bin.
Richards and Jagger much of their compositions are derivative of Chuck Berry and blues music. They were strictly 1-4-5 band with variations of that theme.
When they branched out they copied what was popular whether it was the Beatles, Pink Floyd or Disco. They had exceptions like "Sympathy For the Devil". We disagree.
The Rolling Stones?, The Velvet Underground?. Composing music is more than three chords and drone. Nice to have opinions but let's not reinvent history.
John Lennon
Paul McCartney
Peter Gabriel
Steve Hackett
Robert Fripp
Ian Anderson
Jon Anderson
Chris Squire
Bill Bruford
Tony Banks
Roger Waters
David Gilmour
Steve Howe
Kieth Emerson
Touchy are you. It's not like I disagree with everything you said. If you put a list and people disagree with you why bother putting on a list. The Rolling Stones were hardly great composers of music but they were great songwriters like Bob Dylan which is a difference.
I might have never heard of Lullaby Land or Twin Infinitives but I know the difference between songwriting and composing. Zappa was a great composer but a lousy songwriter.
I have a Part 2 coming up and I will add it. Electronic music has many subgenres and I don't want to fit it in one page.
Electronic Psychedelic (60's)
The psychedelic community co-opted the newfound Electronic instruments and keyboards and injected them into the music.
The Beatles - Tomorrow Never Knows (1966) This is one of the most influential electronc songs. In many ways it is the blueprint with it's drum and bass drone rhythm, looped effects, use of electronic instrument (mellotron), and vocal distortion. The Chemical Brothers "Let forever Be" – demonstrates how modern was Tomorrow never knows; in fact, these two songs have many aspects in common.
Pink Floyd - Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun (1968)
Silver Apples - Ruby (1968)
Everyone is welcome to comment on my Guide to Early Electronica.