They are not resposible for everthing in Rock music at that time period by that was not my point but can you name one rock artist who was more influential in the 60'S than the Beatles and still endures as an influence. The artists who came from the 60s that are still a major influence is a small number and the Beatles and Led Zeppelin are on the top of that list.
Are telling me songs like Rain and Tomorrow Never Knows are not original and innovative or Strawberry Fields Forever are not the equal of your Velvet Underground please. The Sgt Pepper album was certainly a concept album in terms of the linkage of songs, the reprise, and the loop track which was the hidden track I was talking about. Freak Out according to Zappa was a narrative concept album. They are two types of concept albums narrative or story based Freak Out and Tommy or the non narrative concept albums Abbey Road and Sgt Peppers. You guys like Frank Zappa and Velvet Underground but compared to The Beatles they sound so atonal. European Son to the great fusion of classical music and great vocal harmonies of Becuase on Abbey Road. Another point you mentioned Kurt Cobain, guess who was a major influence on Nirvana and particularly Nevermind the Beatles.
Velvet Underground banana cover is their first album released March of 1967 before Sgt Pepper. Taxman and Paperback Writer were recorded April of 66 and not to annoy the Beatle haters but Taxman features the heavily distorted Hendrix chord at least half a year before Hendrix recorded his first single and Jimi Hendrix used to open his concerts with Sgt Peppers so that speaks well for the Beatles that they could influence artists ranging from the Monkees to Hendrix. You guys are funny the Beatles have influenced so many major artists yet it's bad the Beatles influenced the Monkees yet you can't acknowledge the fact the Beatles influenced artists ranging from the Beach Boys to Led Zeppelin to Emerson Lake and Palmer to Abba stop to think how silly your comments are. The Beatles butcher cover was before Revolver.
I listen to The Beatles becuase I like them. I don't like everything they did but I hear a band who has great melodies, great bass work, brilliant vocal harmonies, a great ability to fuse different genres with pop, great chord sequences and innovative sounds . From Rubber Soul to Abbey Road all those ingredients peaked and now you have the band whose guitar work has caught up and I will say this as a guitarist but the guitar work on the White Album and Abbey Road is better than the Stones and The Who of that time period. As songwriters they composed songs with no rock instruments Eleanor Rigby, She's Leaving Home, Indian based songs like Love You To and to songs that call out on Politicians like Taxman and Revolution and to great piano based songs like the second medley on Abbey Road. My criticism the lyrics at times were a bit weak especially in the begining and the drum work on the White Album was not great. The first album is not the greatest debut and yeh they had some filler songs but who did not. Also as a musician Paul McCartney there might not be a better all around rock musician than him and he also produced seven number one albums in his career. Thats how I rate the Beatles on their own merits not really compared to anyone else but, I did have to point out the guitar work becuase to me that became a real strong point of their work Here Comes The Sun and Blackbird to name a few songs.
I have heard Velvet Underground first album many times and it would have been better if the vocals were better. Taxman and Paperback Writer were recorded in April of 66 but those tracks feature heavy distorted guitar tones for it's time.The Velvets were more intrested in feedback and drones.In my opinion Tomorrow Never Knows is at least the equal of Venus in Furs but not equal in terms of influence. I acknowledge the influence of the Velevet Underground but you guys are almost religious about bashing the Beatles which is sad. I mean I could understand bashing Elvis becuase he did not write his music and artists like Berry were already on the charts before Elvis but the Beatles made the rock band bigger than the solo act like Elvis or the band with an obvious leader like Buddy Holly.
I'm glad we agree on something that was exactly my point The Beatles work had an sudden impact when they released their albums the people you like either had no influence or their influence was later. I'm a huge Led Zeppelin fan but I acknowledge The Beatles influence and even John Cale said on Mojo magazine that he admired the Beatles Norwegian Wood and it inspired him as a musician and I book I read about the Velvet's even they were inspired about their songwriting abilties.
I agree with you that some of those albums are finally getting their due but that should not take away anything the Beatles did becuase it was the Beatles and not those albums that influenced rock music at the time. That's why Pierro Scaruffi sounds angry to me, his acts were not acclaimed at the time but remember the Beatles spearheaded most likely the most influential decade in rock music and still remained on top.
The only albums I have not given a listen to on this list are the Red Crayola's and Captain Beefhart but I have listened to Trout Mask Replica. I like how the album sounds and like the various segues on this album which many artists later would use prominently like Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. I also like how many types of genres that are being fused on this album and to me that separates the Beatles from most of their peers. If it's anything it's a different type of concept album with the various seques, reprise and the hidden track at the end of the album . If you can name one example of this type of album prior to Sgt Pepper I would like to know and I don't mean Frank Zappa Freak out or others that claim to have a narrative concept.
My opinion is the Beatles are the most influential rock artists ever and their idols like Elvis and Chuck Berry had no answer for them when they came out. I like Venus in Furs and Sunday Morning I just don't understand the fuss over European Son and Herione. While Dylan had great lyrics I prefer Rubber Soul and Revolver over Blonde on Blonde becuase to my ears it sounds better and it has more innovation to me. Lyrics are not that important to me it's the quality of music and to me The Beatles blow away Dylan, The Stones and most pop rock artists of the 60's in terms of listenabilty and how to fuse different genres.
Well it was praised for it's songs like A Day in the Life and how the Beatles were determined to make the album sound like no other and I think they did it. I like the album a lot and there are several songs on the albums that sound like nothing I never heard before Within You Without You and of course A Day in the Life. I like the use of seques and I love some of the innovations on the album like the 40 second piano chord and the violin slide guitar of Lovely Rita and many others I could pick out. I have heard eight of the ten albums on this list and I think Revolver is better than all of them including Sgt Pepper. I actually like Magical Mystery Tour better than Sgt Pepper but I don't think it sounds dated at all it sounds great to me compared to someone like Captain Beefhart or Frank Zappa. The article says albums of late 1967 and latter and all of those acts have cited the Beatles as an influence and it also influenced albums from the Flaming Lips and also Tears for Fears. Can you name one album that Captain Beefhart or even the Rolling Stones has influenced before you thrash the Beatles.
I said the Beatles mastered avant garde with pop can you name a band who did it better. I did not say they were an outright avant band. Some of the albums that Sgt. Pepper influenced that Mojo Magazine mention were The Zombies Odessey, Radiohead O.K Computer, Prince Around the World in a Day, Oasis Be Here Now, Creedence Clearwater Willie and the Poor Boys, Smashing Pumpkins Mellon Collie and many albums of late 67 and 1968 by the Who, the Hollies, Small Faces and Cream are other examples. The album was praised for it's production, use of instruments not really common in rock like the sitar, tamboura, celeste and others, the album cover and for its chord progressions. Another revelation mentioned was that Revolver heavily influenced the Byrd's Younger than Yesterday album and that Brian Wilson was very impressed with Strawberry Fields Forever. I don't care if you guys don't like the Beatles what bothers me is that you guys seem to forget when the Beatles released these albums they were hugely influential when they came out and they had to compete with The Stones who were a step or two behind the Beatles that it became a running joke in England.
What you and Scaruffi don't understand is the Beatles chords and harmonies are very folk influenced and the reason is because their roots are skiffle which is heavily folk influenced, which in turn many folk musicians noticed including Dylan which is another inaccurate statement scaruffi made when he said they lucked into folk music. I guess Sgt Pepper which popularized the merging of different tracks into each other or the avant mini suite Of A Day In The Life is not good music. What's so sad is that many of the albums you consider overrated are the albums that pushed many of the subgenres of rock music Rubber Soul, raga rock and early strains of psychedelic music not to mention influencing Pet Sounds, Revolver basically popularized psychedelic music, classical Indian with rock, avant and music concrete not mention this album and Sgt Peppers influenced so many progressive rockers. I really don't want to write a whole essay on this topic it's pathetic. One more point which I read on this forum Helter Skelter which is on the White Album is considered by considered by many people proto heave metal and if you heard the Beatles live version of Money in Stockholm of 1963 the Beatles were already experimenting with heavy distortion not to mention some songs like Taxman, and Paperback Writer which precede the Velvet Underground.
European Son and Sister Ray are awful songs. Sad Eyed Lady by Bob Dylan grains on the ears if you want an original song that actually influenced musicians I would go with Strawberry Fields Forever, Tomorrow Never Knows and Norwegian Wood by the Beatles.
What I'm annoyed at and I study music in school is the Beatles made so many influential albums compared to The Velvet Underground who made one classic album. We know the Beatles did not invent psychedlic music but with Revolver it popularized it because it was the first psychedilc album that went number one in America. With songs like Rain and Tomorrow Never Knows they practically reivented psychedlic music with the use of backward tapes, Indian drones and mellotron those techniques were very new to rock music on a whole even though they were of course were used on other genres. They actually got close to psychedelic music on Rubber Soul.
They are not resposible for everthing in Rock music at that time period by that was not my point but can you name one rock artist who was more influential in the 60'S than the Beatles and still endures as an influence. The artists who came from the 60s that are still a major influence is a small number and the Beatles and Led Zeppelin are on the top of that list.
Are telling me songs like Rain and Tomorrow Never Knows are not original and innovative or Strawberry Fields Forever are not the equal of your Velvet Underground please. The Sgt Pepper album was certainly a concept album in terms of the linkage of songs, the reprise, and the loop track which was the hidden track I was talking about. Freak Out according to Zappa was a narrative concept album. They are two types of concept albums narrative or story based Freak Out and Tommy or the non narrative concept albums Abbey Road and Sgt Peppers. You guys like Frank Zappa and Velvet Underground but compared to The Beatles they sound so atonal. European Son to the great fusion of classical music and great vocal harmonies of Becuase on Abbey Road. Another point you mentioned Kurt Cobain, guess who was a major influence on Nirvana and particularly Nevermind the Beatles.
Velvet Underground banana cover is their first album released March of 1967 before Sgt Pepper. Taxman and Paperback Writer were recorded April of 66 and not to annoy the Beatle haters but Taxman features the heavily distorted Hendrix chord at least half a year before Hendrix recorded his first single and Jimi Hendrix used to open his concerts with Sgt Peppers so that speaks well for the Beatles that they could influence artists ranging from the Monkees to Hendrix. You guys are funny the Beatles have influenced so many major artists yet it's bad the Beatles influenced the Monkees yet you can't acknowledge the fact the Beatles influenced artists ranging from the Beach Boys to Led Zeppelin to Emerson Lake and Palmer to Abba stop to think how silly your comments are. The Beatles butcher cover was before Revolver.
I listen to The Beatles becuase I like them. I don't like everything they did but I hear a band who has great melodies, great bass work, brilliant vocal harmonies, a great ability to fuse different genres with pop, great chord sequences and innovative sounds . From Rubber Soul to Abbey Road all those ingredients peaked and now you have the band whose guitar work has caught up and I will say this as a guitarist but the guitar work on the White Album and Abbey Road is better than the Stones and The Who of that time period. As songwriters they composed songs with no rock instruments Eleanor Rigby, She's Leaving Home, Indian based songs like Love You To and to songs that call out on Politicians like Taxman and Revolution and to great piano based songs like the second medley on Abbey Road. My criticism the lyrics at times were a bit weak especially in the begining and the drum work on the White Album was not great. The first album is not the greatest debut and yeh they had some filler songs but who did not. Also as a musician Paul McCartney there might not be a better all around rock musician than him and he also produced seven number one albums in his career. Thats how I rate the Beatles on their own merits not really compared to anyone else but, I did have to point out the guitar work becuase to me that became a real strong point of their work Here Comes The Sun and Blackbird to name a few songs.
I have heard Velvet Underground first album many times and it would have been better if the vocals were better. Taxman and Paperback Writer were recorded in April of 66 but those tracks feature heavy distorted guitar tones for it's time.The Velvets were more intrested in feedback and drones.In my opinion Tomorrow Never Knows is at least the equal of Venus in Furs but not equal in terms of influence. I acknowledge the influence of the Velevet Underground but you guys are almost religious about bashing the Beatles which is sad. I mean I could understand bashing Elvis becuase he did not write his music and artists like Berry were already on the charts before Elvis but the Beatles made the rock band bigger than the solo act like Elvis or the band with an obvious leader like Buddy Holly.
I'm glad we agree on something that was exactly my point The Beatles work had an sudden impact when they released their albums the people you like either had no influence or their influence was later. I'm a huge Led Zeppelin fan but I acknowledge The Beatles influence and even John Cale said on Mojo magazine that he admired the Beatles Norwegian Wood and it inspired him as a musician and I book I read about the Velvet's even they were inspired about their songwriting abilties.
I agree with you that some of those albums are finally getting their due but that should not take away anything the Beatles did becuase it was the Beatles and not those albums that influenced rock music at the time. That's why Pierro Scaruffi sounds angry to me, his acts were not acclaimed at the time but remember the Beatles spearheaded most likely the most influential decade in rock music and still remained on top.
The only albums I have not given a listen to on this list are the Red Crayola's and Captain Beefhart but I have listened to Trout Mask Replica. I like how the album sounds and like the various segues on this album which many artists later would use prominently like Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. I also like how many types of genres that are being fused on this album and to me that separates the Beatles from most of their peers. If it's anything it's a different type of concept album with the various seques, reprise and the hidden track at the end of the album . If you can name one example of this type of album prior to Sgt Pepper I would like to know and I don't mean Frank Zappa Freak out or others that claim to have a narrative concept.
My opinion is the Beatles are the most influential rock artists ever and their idols like Elvis and Chuck Berry had no answer for them when they came out. I like Venus in Furs and Sunday Morning I just don't understand the fuss over European Son and Herione. While Dylan had great lyrics I prefer Rubber Soul and Revolver over Blonde on Blonde becuase to my ears it sounds better and it has more innovation to me. Lyrics are not that important to me it's the quality of music and to me The Beatles blow away Dylan, The Stones and most pop rock artists of the 60's in terms of listenabilty and how to fuse different genres.
Well it was praised for it's songs like A Day in the Life and how the Beatles were determined to make the album sound like no other and I think they did it. I like the album a lot and there are several songs on the albums that sound like nothing I never heard before Within You Without You and of course A Day in the Life. I like the use of seques and I love some of the innovations on the album like the 40 second piano chord and the violin slide guitar of Lovely Rita and many others I could pick out. I have heard eight of the ten albums on this list and I think Revolver is better than all of them including Sgt Pepper. I actually like Magical Mystery Tour better than Sgt Pepper but I don't think it sounds dated at all it sounds great to me compared to someone like Captain Beefhart or Frank Zappa. The article says albums of late 1967 and latter and all of those acts have cited the Beatles as an influence and it also influenced albums from the Flaming Lips and also Tears for Fears. Can you name one album that Captain Beefhart or even the Rolling Stones has influenced before you thrash the Beatles.
I think it says a lot that people still are talking about Sgt Pepper and most of these albums on this list are forgotton or on the dust bin.
I said the Beatles mastered avant garde with pop can you name a band who did it better. I did not say they were an outright avant band. Some of the albums that Sgt. Pepper influenced that Mojo Magazine mention were The Zombies Odessey, Radiohead O.K Computer, Prince Around the World in a Day, Oasis Be Here Now, Creedence Clearwater Willie and the Poor Boys, Smashing Pumpkins Mellon Collie and many albums of late 67 and 1968 by the Who, the Hollies, Small Faces and Cream are other examples. The album was praised for it's production, use of instruments not really common in rock like the sitar, tamboura, celeste and others, the album cover and for its chord progressions. Another revelation mentioned was that Revolver heavily influenced the Byrd's Younger than Yesterday album and that Brian Wilson was very impressed with Strawberry Fields Forever. I don't care if you guys don't like the Beatles what bothers me is that you guys seem to forget when the Beatles released these albums they were hugely influential when they came out and they had to compete with The Stones who were a step or two behind the Beatles that it became a running joke in England.
What you and Scaruffi don't understand is the Beatles chords and harmonies are very folk influenced and the reason is because their roots are skiffle which is heavily folk influenced, which in turn many folk musicians noticed including Dylan which is another inaccurate statement scaruffi made when he said they lucked into folk music. I guess Sgt Pepper which popularized the merging of different tracks into each other or the avant mini suite Of A Day In The Life is not good music. What's so sad is that many of the albums you consider overrated are the albums that pushed many of the subgenres of rock music Rubber Soul, raga rock and early strains of psychedelic music not to mention influencing Pet Sounds, Revolver basically popularized psychedelic music, classical Indian with rock, avant and music concrete not mention this album and Sgt Peppers influenced so many progressive rockers. I really don't want to write a whole essay on this topic it's pathetic. One more point which I read on this forum Helter Skelter which is on the White Album is considered by considered by many people proto heave metal and if you heard the Beatles live version of Money in Stockholm of 1963 the Beatles were already experimenting with heavy distortion not to mention some songs like Taxman, and Paperback Writer which precede the Velvet Underground.
European Son and Sister Ray are awful songs. Sad Eyed Lady by Bob Dylan grains on the ears if you want an original song that actually influenced musicians I would go with Strawberry Fields Forever, Tomorrow Never Knows and Norwegian Wood by the Beatles.
What I'm annoyed at and I study music in school is the Beatles made so many influential albums compared to The Velvet Underground who made one classic album. We know the Beatles did not invent psychedlic music but with Revolver it popularized it because it was the first psychedilc album that went number one in America. With songs like Rain and Tomorrow Never Knows they practically reivented psychedlic music with the use of backward tapes, Indian drones and mellotron those techniques were very new to rock music on a whole even though they were of course were used on other genres. They actually got close to psychedelic music on Rubber Soul.