I will say that the Beatles I would describe especilly from Help to the rest of there carreers were experimental-pop rock music for the masses with experimental edge and with pop rock melodies and what is wrong with that. The Beatles recorded Rubber Soul in one month and recorded there first album in one day and tracks like Twist and Shout were one take live songs and Get Back was done live in the studio and there are other examples. The album Help has many of the same techniques used on latter albums like unusual arrangements for a elctric rock group, putting instruments through leslie speaker, drone, volume tone based songs, varispeeding, combining genres outside the rock traditio, modal tunes and unusual time signatures and influential chord progressions. Both the Beatles for Sale and Help both have folk and country based rock songs and these albums were done 1964 and 1965 while the Beatles were touring and making movies. The Beatles were already thinking in lines of avant garde and musique concrete in 1965 but decided to do it after there first break in four years. The Beatles along with Dylan and Zappa were pushing the art making of a rock album but did it in different ways. The Beatles were already heading in the direction of Pyscedelic music on Rubber Soul with tracks like Norwegian Wood, Nowhere Man and the universal love hippie song The Word and with the slightly pyschedelic album cover. People forget that the single Rain and the US album Yesterday and Today with the early pyscedelic songs of I'm Only Sleeping and Docter Robert were released before The Byrd's Fifth Dimension. Those songs had many of the innovations that would be on Revolver. Yes Bob Dylan had the first double album or Zappa on who you talk to but not every one releases one. The Beatles had the first double album that went to number one in both Britain and the US but it influnced a hell of lot of artists. Yes the Beatles did not record long songs first but the Beatles had the first song that lasted seven minutes go number one. The Beatles did not make the first concept album but some people think Rubber Soul anyway Sgt Pepper with its long form structure was the first rock concept album to go number one and it stayed for a long time and it inluenced many artists including Zappa who copied the last part of A Day In The Life in one of his songs and actually played Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds in his concert tour of 1988 along with I Am The Walrus. Bob Dylan main strenght was writing lyrics and that's only a small part of songwriting there is melody, chord progression, guitar riffs, theory and arrangements that was clearly the strengths of the Beatles over Dylan. Musicians and music scholars will talk about the Beatles in many years to come many of the people you like will and some are now forgotten and that's the truth.Brian Wilson said that Rubber Soul was the first great rock album with no filler and that inspired to him to Pet Sounds and Syd Barret was influnced by Strawberry Fields Forever to do Arnold Layne and also didn't Captain Beefhart make a parody of that song. The Beatles Penny Lane also inspired Ray Davies to write Waterloo Sunset. The Beatles were not the only one doing things but to say that they were not influential and wrote great songs is stupidity and many of the artists on this website greatest albums list were actually influenced by the Beatles namely the Byrd's and Pink Floyd to name a few. To be objective I think the Rolling Stone and VH1 lists are to weighted towards the Beatles and Bob Dylan but then the musicians voted for those lists.
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I will say that the Beatles I would describe especilly from Help to the rest of there carreers were experimental-pop rock music for the masses with experimental edge and with pop rock melodies and what is wrong with that. The Beatles recorded Rubber Soul in one month and recorded there first album in one day and tracks like Twist and Shout were one take live songs and Get Back was done live in the studio and there are other examples. The album Help has many of the same techniques used on latter albums like unusual arrangements for a elctric rock group, putting instruments through leslie speaker, drone, volume tone based songs, varispeeding, combining genres outside the rock traditio, modal tunes and unusual time signatures and influential chord progressions. Both the Beatles for Sale and Help both have folk and country based rock songs and these albums were done 1964 and 1965 while the Beatles were touring and making movies. The Beatles were already thinking in lines of avant garde and musique concrete in 1965 but decided to do it after there first break in four years. The Beatles along with Dylan and Zappa were pushing the art making of a rock album but did it in different ways. The Beatles were already heading in the direction of Pyscedelic music on Rubber Soul with tracks like Norwegian Wood, Nowhere Man and the universal love hippie song The Word and with the slightly pyschedelic album cover. People forget that the single Rain and the US album Yesterday and Today with the early pyscedelic songs of I'm Only Sleeping and Docter Robert were released before The Byrd's Fifth Dimension. Those songs had many of the innovations that would be on Revolver. Yes Bob Dylan had the first double album or Zappa on who you talk to but not every one releases one. The Beatles had the first double album that went to number one in both Britain and the US but it influnced a hell of lot of artists. Yes the Beatles did not record long songs first but the Beatles had the first song that lasted seven minutes go number one. The Beatles did not make the first concept album but some people think Rubber Soul anyway Sgt Pepper with its long form structure was the first rock concept album to go number one and it stayed for a long time and it inluenced many artists including Zappa who copied the last part of A Day In The Life in one of his songs and actually played Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds in his concert tour of 1988 along with I Am The Walrus. Bob Dylan main strenght was writing lyrics and that's only a small part of songwriting there is melody, chord progression, guitar riffs, theory and arrangements that was clearly the strengths of the Beatles over Dylan. Musicians and music scholars will talk about the Beatles in many years to come many of the people you like will and some are now forgotten and that's the truth.Brian Wilson said that Rubber Soul was the first great rock album with no filler and that inspired to him to Pet Sounds and Syd Barret was influnced by Strawberry Fields Forever to do Arnold Layne and also didn't Captain Beefhart make a parody of that song. The Beatles Penny Lane also inspired Ray Davies to write Waterloo Sunset. The Beatles were not the only one doing things but to say that they were not influential and wrote great songs is stupidity and many of the artists on this website greatest albums list were actually influenced by the Beatles namely the Byrd's and Pink Floyd to name a few. To be objective I think the Rolling Stone and VH1 lists are to weighted towards the Beatles and Bob Dylan but then the musicians voted for those lists.
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