Have you heard some of the Beatles cover versions of early rock & roll they had the superior cover version of Twist and Shout, Chuck Berry's Rock and Roll Music,there versions of Long Tall Sally destroys the Kinks version and Money That's What I Want it's defintely stomps over The Rolling Stones version. Sgt Pepper's the the title song with it's heavily distorted power chords and unusual chord progression was covered three day's after it's release by Jimi Hendrix and that songs like Helter Skeleter and Revolution are much harder rock than the Stones and even harder than The Who were recording in 1968 are considered to have made a big contribution to hard rock and heavy metal. The Beatles wrote some protest songs like Taxman, Revolution and Blackbird and others,and songs like While My Guitar Gently Weeps and Within You and Without You deal with religion,the angst ridden Yer Blues and I'm So Tired deals with loneliness and Tomorrow Never Knows deals with eastern myticism and there so many I can name. In the rock context the Beatles did the genuine Indian classical with rock fusion first and also the Beatles did other things like one chord raga's songs, even in songs like Eleanor Rigby, Got to Get to You into My Life used Indian drone influence. The first rock album to have complete lyrics printed on a album was Sgt. Pepper the first also to have a decorated gatefold sleeve design and the White album is probally the first all blank album cover all ideas initiated by the Beatles. Ok while the Kinks did You really Got Me the Beatles were already recording with volume swells on Beatles for Sale agressive 12 string guitar work and guitar vibartion on the Hard Day's Night album and I Feel Fine has audio feedback all recorded in 1964 all before the the Kinks, the Yardbirds ant the Who did those things on record.The Beatles recorded maybe the first great rock record with all original songs with a Hard Day's Night and that album had a huge impact on the Byrd's and many folk artists going to rock.This is while Bob Dylan was basically a folk artist and albums like Rubber Soul and Revolver are much more eclectic than Bob Dylan albums at the time. I actually bought the first album Velvet Underground and I thought it was good but I can see why it did not sell well there is a lack of melody and it's very unpolished compared to the Beatles. The All Music Guide description of The Beatles, The Beatles are the most successfull and influential rock act of the later 20th century who has introduced more innovations into rock music than any artist. I will give you some innovations and some of the artists that were influenced halved and double tape speeds Jimi Hendrix and Frank Zappa, backward guitar Jimi Hendrix, the Byrd's, backward instrumentation, Pink Floyd, Spirit and the Electric Prunes, Leslie vocal effect Black Sabbath, Yes, Led Zeppelin, Hendrix, Cream an the Who, backward vocals Black Sabbath and host of others, phase shifting on vocals Grateful Dead and Hendrix and on drums Hendrix and Led Zeppelin. and the use ADT most notably Nirvana and I will give two more of many,recorded guitar in thirds Cream, the Allman Brothers and Led Zeppelina and double guitar recorded backward Crosby Stills and Nash. The Beatles recorded songs in mixed meters, sections in contrasting meters, modal tunes that are non pentatonic, multiple meter changes and there are many more.The string arrangements of Eleanor Rigby and Penny Lane were hummed by Paul McCartney to George Martin and the same for I am The Walrus and the Day in the life were hummed to Georege Martin. The tape lopes on Tomorow Never Knows were McCartney's also and many of the varispeeding on there records was actually done by the Beatles themselves. I like Chuck Berry but he is 50's rock and roll the Beatles started as rock and roll band they evolved into the first major classic rock band and there is a big differnce between rock and roll and rock. If you don't like the Beatles that is your opinion but the Beatles easily have influenced more artists than the Velvet Underground. I suggest you read The Beatles as Musicians through Revolver through the Anthology and go check www.answers.com and check the amouunt of musicians who are influenced by the Beatles and compare it to anyone else and believe me and I'm one musician who is influenced by them and many young bands that I know are influenced by them and I hear respect for the Velvet Underground but many people don't know who they are. One more point I Call Her Name has a ska influenced break if you want to believe it or not and I realize the Beatles like every one else had there influences but songs like A Day In the Life, Lucy In the Sky In the Diamonds, Love You To, Strawberry Fields Forever, Blue Jay Way and even Revolution No 9 are songs that sound nothing like what was being recorded at the time and that comes from Brian May of Queen who knows a lot more than anyone of us.
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I'm stating a fact the song a Day in the Life was recorded and released while the Moody Blues were recording Day's of Future Passed.Pink Floyd were already using some of techniques used on Revolver and both bands were listening to each other while they were recording Sgt.Pepper and Piper's at the Gates of Dawn and the Pink Floyd was using the engineer who recorded Rubber Soul Norm Smith and Syd Barret based Pow R Toch" from one of the songs from Revolver which is a fact. Hey I like both those bands especially Pink Floyd and if you don't like the Beatles that's your opinion but to say the Beatles were not doing original things or were not influential does not have a clue just name one rock artist who has influenced more rock artists than the Beatles if you say Chuck Berry who has really influenced in last 20 years he is from the rock and roll generation the Beatles went from r&r to a rock band.
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Like many rock artists at the time Syd Barret was influenced by Revolver and both artists were listening to each other when they both were recording Sgt Pepper and Piper's at the Gates of Dawn at the same time. First the Beatles stopped touring August of 1966 and Syd Barret was influenced by the Beatles use of backward instrumentation ,the guitar through the Leslie speaker. One song in particular on Pink Floyd first album was influenced by Tomorrow Never Knows and that was Pow R Toch" with it's sounds and the chord progression. The use of Mellotron was mentioned as an influence in one of the songs on that album and the use of crossfading was also an influence but to be fair the Beatles were also rumored to be influenced by them. Also Syd Barrett was impressed with the Beatles use of tape loops. Now Jeff Lynne has addmitted many times to be influneced by the Beatles and that is no secret the fusing of orchestra with rock on songs like Srawberry Fields Forever, I am The Walrus and A Day in the Life was a huge influence on ELO and that is commone knowledge. Also the Moody Blues was still recording Day's of Future Passed when Sgt. Peppers was out and it's a fact that A Day in the Life influenced because that was admitted by them also.
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I'm sorry I meant that Rain was there first song to use the musique concrete of backward vocals to be a top 40 song and also it was one of the first top 40 pyschedleic songs. Also the first influential use of the mellotron was Tomorrow Never Knows and Strawberry Fields Forever. Also the Beatles used electronic manipulation on Revolver and the rest of there albums they made in ther career. The Beatles used atonal music, on some songs like Tomorrow Never Knows and the Day in the Life and microtonal Indinan scales on Love You To and Within You Without You. The Beatles used multiple times signatures on many of there songs Including the polyrythmic Happiness Is A Waem Gun. We can Work it Out is considered to be the first song in Rock Music to alternate from 4/4 to 3/4 and A Day In The Life is in 2/4 meter. The Beatles were one of the first rock groups to use non modal tunes and sometimes even combined them in the case of Eleanor Rigby using Mixolydian and Aeolian mode Tomorrow Never Knows using Dorian and Mixolydian Mode. You said the Beatles also did not fuse styles well they were the ultimate rock band in fusing styles. It was there fusion of folk with rock and the 12 string rickenbocker jangle sound with energetic vocal harmonies that convinced the Byrd's to be a rock band. On Strawberry fields Forever it fuses, Indian, musique conrete, avant garde, classical with pyschedelic music with cacophony with reverse drum loops . Tomorrow Never Knows combines one chord Indian drone, with musique concrete, avant garde and pyschedlic music with two major modes. Taxman has a funk bass line ,with distorted hard rock that uses the Hendrix chord about 9 months before the first Jimi Hendrix album, Indian style guitar phrasing and solo with protest lyrics. A Day in the Life has avant garde, classical and pyschedlic and with that song with Tomorrow Never Knows and Strawberry Fields Forever ther are considered to help establish the progressive rock genre. I will give one more fusion Happiness is Warm Gun it has numerous meter changes, it's three part song that combines acid rock with folk then hard rock with doo wopp vocals. Those are all unique fusions some of them combining multiple time signatures or unusual meters or modal music. Also songs like Norwegian Wood, Sgt Peppers the title song has unusual fusions and few others also but that's why the Beatles music is so influential they were doing things in the rock realm that no one was doing and I think I have prove that point. Revolver on that one album fuses chamber pop, emerging pyschedelia, musique concrete, stax with motown rock, hard rock with funk , classical, music hall, baroque, Indian style and Indian classical, country with pyschedleic rock and avant garde . It has modal music, tape manipulations, odd time signatures, intentional dissonnace electronic manipulations. Can you name one rock album that is that diverse and different before it came out. This album with Rubber Soul are the albums and with it's accompanying singles changed rock and roll into rock. In 100 years no one will be really be talking about Faust and if you notice no one really talks about many artists from the 50's and the 60's. I do agree with Scaruffi on one thing Elvis Presley was overated. Some corrections on Scaruffi time lines the Beatles wrote seven number one songs in 1964 more than anyone else that year six performed by the Beatles and one they wrote for Peter and Gordon. Ticket to Ride has Indian influence with the use of the mimicked Indian Drone that was recorded before See My Friends by the Kinks and may have influenced it and I got the information from the book Revolution in the Head. Norwegian Wood is raga rock with it's use of the sitar and use of drone and it's in Mixolydian mode though it's really a folk rock raga hybrid and that came out month's before Eight Miles High which I have to give them credit for making a great song with influence.
Sal66
First the Beatles were already playing pyschedelic music on the single Rain and that was one of the first pyschedlic top 40 hits in May of 1966 and Revolver is considered by most people the first pyscehdelic number one album ever with Tomorrow Never Knows being one of the most influential rock tracks of all time with it's extensive use of tape loops, sampling,cacophony, ADT, avant and musique concrete, backwards guitar,eastern mysticism lyrics, traditonal idiian drone, reverse fade in, limiting on drums , non rock modal tune,vocals through a leslie speaker, drone bass,the use of tamboura, reverse drone, seagull noises from laughter and guitar that was recorded backwards and sped up.I guess that one song has more innovation then I think the Rolling Stones had in there 40 year recording career.What albums and genres did Sgt Pepper influence it is considered by many prog musicians like Steve Howe of Yes and Robert Fripp of King Crimson the start of progressive rock, with songs like A Day In the life with it's full symphony orchestra the start of Symphonic rock go ask ELO or the Moody Blues on that one, with it being the first major rock album to go number one with no singles and the year that the albums sold more than the singles it basically started classic rock radio, it had trippy carnival music, classical Indian music with string arrangemets, string arrangememts with no rock instrumnents, a chord that goes 40 seconds, aesthitic linking with art to its music, concentric run out groove, printed lyrics, heavy distorted rock with 19 century brass sound, music hall, a hidden track for dogs, two continous side of music without convntional pauses, tracks that merged into each other wothout silence, orchestral cacophony, tunes with unusaul time signatures though they had done that in previous albums, tunes in dorian mode and mixolydian mode also something they did in previous albums, orchestral crescendo's, it had maybe the first songs with phase shifting and direct injection not your normal pop rock album. Let's see albums it influenced since it is considered by many people the album that changed Rock & Roll into rock though I think that should go to Rubber Soul and to Bob Dylan that's a dumb question let's see it inflenced Pink Floyd' Piper at Gates of Dawn and Dark Side of the Moon,the Rolling Stones santanic majesties reguest, King Crimson first album,the Moody Blues, Jimi Hendris Axis Bold as Love and many others certainly more than faust. And why do people like you have to hold the Beatles to a different standard than everyone else the Beatles like many of there peers were pop rock acts and the Beatles should be judged on that and what they bought to rock music and they certainly bought more than Captain Beefhart or even The Rolling Stones. Many of the acts you champion are strictly one dimensional and you don't have to have eight minutes songs to be great then you woul have rule out most rock artists. One more point on Sgt Pepper you have ignored the fact that the last three songs which covers about nine minutes are linked together without silence and Rubber Soul was the inspiration to Pet Sounds and that when Brian Wilson heard Sgt Pepper he gave up recording his answer to Revolver enough said.
sal66
You guys are missing the main point The Beatles were about combining pop with rock with other types of music and I'm sorry the Beatles were the greatest innovators in that regard you can't accept that.Just go to www.answers.com and just check the amount of artists who the Beatles influenced and compare it to anyone else. The Beatles could say more in three minutes than the Doors could say in 10 minutes. Are you telling me that Tommorow Never Knows or Strawberry Fields is not original or does not fuse differenct styles or Love You To does not use Indian scales which it does. The discussion is rock music not jazz and it's not my problem the Beatles songs are the most covered in music and by the way there are loads of tribute albums by jazz artists that cover the Beatles music. All I know the Beatles used the guitar drone, cacophony, avante garde, before the Velvet Underground, volume swells ,audio feedback, bass distortion trough a fuzzbox before the Yardbirds, reverse feedback reverse drone,Indian scales combing Folk with Rock and Non rock modal tunes before the Byrds,one chord raga's, traditional Indian drone, backward guitar and vocals before the Kinks. The Beatles combined genuine classical Indain music with rock and full symphony orchestra with rock while most of there peers were struggling writing full original albums. Scaruffi does not mention the Beatles also combined ska with rock in early 1964 with I Call Her Name when no one in rock music knew what it was. The Beatles string arangements like the srting quartet or the string octet with no rock instruments in Eleanor Rigby who was doing that in rock music or the avant garde type string sounds of Strawberry Fields or I am the Walrus as instructed by Lennon to George Martin. What about the use musique concrete Rain is the first rock song to reach the top 40 with that technique and the first influetial use of the mellotron is Tomorrow Never Knows and Strawberry Fields. I'm also a musician also and I know that the Beatles devoloped many guitar tones and textures in rock music and I will give you some the swirling Indian textures of Tomorrow Never knows, or the foggy texture of Blue Jay Way, the carnival texture of Mr Kite, or the leslie arpeggios used on Abbey Road I can name so many more. The Beatles instigated such things as Automatic Ddouble Tracking, Direct Injection,many varispeeding techniques, backmasking, hidden tracks, concentric runout grooves,tracks merging into each other printed lyrics and so many others.The discussion is rock music and if you see many of the things the things the Velvet Undergrund did the Beatles did first. The Beatles aproached things in a pop rock concept and most rock acts approached music that and the Beatles were the most influential in that approach and also on more point lyrically the Beatles did write protest songs, songs about eastern mysticism, surrrealism, and agnst another myth destroyed.
sal66
Look Rubber Soul was the album that influenced Pet Sounds and Revlover influenced Gerry Garcia, Syd Barrett,Robbi Krieger and the Jefferson Airplane and JimI Hendrix enough said. Sgt Peppers is not the best album by the Beatles but it much more influential than the Velvet Undergroud like it or not.
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Scarufi is just jealous the Beatles are the most influential rock act of all time and he is very misinformed about the Beatles. The Beatles combined pop with rock and that's what they did and Captain Beefhart is just plain noise the Beatles combined melody with innovation the Beatles were the first to actually to release a record with sitar the Yardbirds just attempted a version and used guitar instead. The Beatles used drone before the Kinks the Byrds became a electric rock band because of there success with folk with rock. The Beatles were the first to use classical Indian music with rock and play Indian scales on sitar in rock and the Beach Boys were inspired by Rubber Soul to make Pet Sounds. The Kinks, the Rolling Stones and most of the British Invasion acts their first singles were cover versions not the Beatles they had six number one records and one more for another artist in 1964 when most hits were written for other artists. The Beatles were one othe first rock acts to use avante garde, musique concrete,complete orchestra, Indian orchestra in rock, backward instrumntation and voacls, tape loops and sampling and Revolver was the first number one album that had pyschedelic music. If you go to www.answers.com the Beatles are easily the most influential act with in rock music and the Beatles are the main reason rock and roll became rock.It's not there fault that people like you can't except the fact The Beatles are influential Captain Beefhart and Faust will never be a big influence because they can't connect with the general audience.Where is the immitation in songs like Tomorrow Never Knows, A Day in the Life,I am the Walrus, Strawberry Fields Forever. I give them more credit for creating songs that sound nothing like what was happening around them unlike the rolling stones who copied them and making it popular.The Beatles are the benchmark for most rock artists Scarufi is clueless in what he is saying. The Beatles are really the one who are most responsible for making the album the medium choice of purchase and most of the greatest Rock bands came after the Beatles broke the American domination of music.The Beatles used, odd meters, non rock modal tunes, errcatic rhytyms,invented certain chords, there chord progressions are the most copied, polyrhythms and introduced many new lyrical themes to rock music. Many of the tones and textures in rock were developed by the Beatles. I would like to see if a band who was the most popular act in the world completely change there sound and still be the most influnetial act at the time please I can on and on.
sal66
Have you heard some of the Beatles cover versions of early rock & roll they had the superior cover version of Twist and Shout, Chuck Berry's Rock and Roll Music,there versions of Long Tall Sally destroys the Kinks version and Money That's What I Want it's defintely stomps over The Rolling Stones version. Sgt Pepper's the the title song with it's heavily distorted power chords and unusual chord progression was covered three day's after it's release by Jimi Hendrix and that songs like Helter Skeleter and Revolution are much harder rock than the Stones and even harder than The Who were recording in 1968 are considered to have made a big contribution to hard rock and heavy metal. The Beatles wrote some protest songs like Taxman, Revolution and Blackbird and others,and songs like While My Guitar Gently Weeps and Within You and Without You deal with religion,the angst ridden Yer Blues and I'm So Tired deals with loneliness and Tomorrow Never Knows deals with eastern myticism and there so many I can name. In the rock context the Beatles did the genuine Indian classical with rock fusion first and also the Beatles did other things like one chord raga's songs, even in songs like Eleanor Rigby, Got to Get to You into My Life used Indian drone influence. The first rock album to have complete lyrics printed on a album was Sgt. Pepper the first also to have a decorated gatefold sleeve design and the White album is probally the first all blank album cover all ideas initiated by the Beatles. Ok while the Kinks did You really Got Me the Beatles were already recording with volume swells on Beatles for Sale agressive 12 string guitar work and guitar vibartion on the Hard Day's Night album and I Feel Fine has audio feedback all recorded in 1964 all before the the Kinks, the Yardbirds ant the Who did those things on record.The Beatles recorded maybe the first great rock record with all original songs with a Hard Day's Night and that album had a huge impact on the Byrd's and many folk artists going to rock.This is while Bob Dylan was basically a folk artist and albums like Rubber Soul and Revolver are much more eclectic than Bob Dylan albums at the time. I actually bought the first album Velvet Underground and I thought it was good but I can see why it did not sell well there is a lack of melody and it's very unpolished compared to the Beatles. The All Music Guide description of The Beatles, The Beatles are the most successfull and influential rock act of the later 20th century who has introduced more innovations into rock music than any artist. I will give you some innovations and some of the artists that were influenced halved and double tape speeds Jimi Hendrix and Frank Zappa, backward guitar Jimi Hendrix, the Byrd's, backward instrumentation, Pink Floyd, Spirit and the Electric Prunes, Leslie vocal effect Black Sabbath, Yes, Led Zeppelin, Hendrix, Cream an the Who, backward vocals Black Sabbath and host of others, phase shifting on vocals Grateful Dead and Hendrix and on drums Hendrix and Led Zeppelin. and the use ADT most notably Nirvana and I will give two more of many,recorded guitar in thirds Cream, the Allman Brothers and Led Zeppelina and double guitar recorded backward Crosby Stills and Nash. The Beatles recorded songs in mixed meters, sections in contrasting meters, modal tunes that are non pentatonic, multiple meter changes and there are many more.The string arrangements of Eleanor Rigby and Penny Lane were hummed by Paul McCartney to George Martin and the same for I am The Walrus and the Day in the life were hummed to Georege Martin. The tape lopes on Tomorow Never Knows were McCartney's also and many of the varispeeding on there records was actually done by the Beatles themselves. I like Chuck Berry but he is 50's rock and roll the Beatles started as rock and roll band they evolved into the first major classic rock band and there is a big differnce between rock and roll and rock. If you don't like the Beatles that is your opinion but the Beatles easily have influenced more artists than the Velvet Underground. I suggest you read The Beatles as Musicians through Revolver through the Anthology and go check www.answers.com and check the amouunt of musicians who are influenced by the Beatles and compare it to anyone else and believe me and I'm one musician who is influenced by them and many young bands that I know are influenced by them and I hear respect for the Velvet Underground but many people don't know who they are. One more point I Call Her Name has a ska influenced break if you want to believe it or not and I realize the Beatles like every one else had there influences but songs like A Day In the Life, Lucy In the Sky In the Diamonds, Love You To, Strawberry Fields Forever, Blue Jay Way and even Revolution No 9 are songs that sound nothing like what was being recorded at the time and that comes from Brian May of Queen who knows a lot more than anyone of us.
sal66
I'm stating a fact the song a Day in the Life was recorded and released while the Moody Blues were recording Day's of Future Passed.Pink Floyd were already using some of techniques used on Revolver and both bands were listening to each other while they were recording Sgt.Pepper and Piper's at the Gates of Dawn and the Pink Floyd was using the engineer who recorded Rubber Soul Norm Smith and Syd Barret based Pow R Toch" from one of the songs from Revolver which is a fact. Hey I like both those bands especially Pink Floyd and if you don't like the Beatles that's your opinion but to say the Beatles were not doing original things or were not influential does not have a clue just name one rock artist who has influenced more rock artists than the Beatles if you say Chuck Berry who has really influenced in last 20 years he is from the rock and roll generation the Beatles went from r&r to a rock band.
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Like many rock artists at the time Syd Barret was influenced by Revolver and both artists were listening to each other when they both were recording Sgt Pepper and Piper's at the Gates of Dawn at the same time. First the Beatles stopped touring August of 1966 and Syd Barret was influenced by the Beatles use of backward instrumentation ,the guitar through the Leslie speaker. One song in particular on Pink Floyd first album was influenced by Tomorrow Never Knows and that was Pow R Toch" with it's sounds and the chord progression. The use of Mellotron was mentioned as an influence in one of the songs on that album and the use of crossfading was also an influence but to be fair the Beatles were also rumored to be influenced by them. Also Syd Barrett was impressed with the Beatles use of tape loops. Now Jeff Lynne has addmitted many times to be influneced by the Beatles and that is no secret the fusing of orchestra with rock on songs like Srawberry Fields Forever, I am The Walrus and A Day in the Life was a huge influence on ELO and that is commone knowledge. Also the Moody Blues was still recording Day's of Future Passed when Sgt. Peppers was out and it's a fact that A Day in the Life influenced because that was admitted by them also.
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I'm sorry I meant that Rain was there first song to use the musique concrete of backward vocals to be a top 40 song and also it was one of the first top 40 pyschedleic songs. Also the first influential use of the mellotron was Tomorrow Never Knows and Strawberry Fields Forever. Also the Beatles used electronic manipulation on Revolver and the rest of there albums they made in ther career. The Beatles used atonal music, on some songs like Tomorrow Never Knows and the Day in the Life and microtonal Indinan scales on Love You To and Within You Without You. The Beatles used multiple times signatures on many of there songs Including the polyrythmic Happiness Is A Waem Gun. We can Work it Out is considered to be the first song in Rock Music to alternate from 4/4 to 3/4 and A Day In The Life is in 2/4 meter. The Beatles were one of the first rock groups to use non modal tunes and sometimes even combined them in the case of Eleanor Rigby using Mixolydian and Aeolian mode Tomorrow Never Knows using Dorian and Mixolydian Mode. You said the Beatles also did not fuse styles well they were the ultimate rock band in fusing styles. It was there fusion of folk with rock and the 12 string rickenbocker jangle sound with energetic vocal harmonies that convinced the Byrd's to be a rock band. On Strawberry fields Forever it fuses, Indian, musique conrete, avant garde, classical with pyschedelic music with cacophony with reverse drum loops . Tomorrow Never Knows combines one chord Indian drone, with musique concrete, avant garde and pyschedlic music with two major modes. Taxman has a funk bass line ,with distorted hard rock that uses the Hendrix chord about 9 months before the first Jimi Hendrix album, Indian style guitar phrasing and solo with protest lyrics. A Day in the Life has avant garde, classical and pyschedlic and with that song with Tomorrow Never Knows and Strawberry Fields Forever ther are considered to help establish the progressive rock genre. I will give one more fusion Happiness is Warm Gun it has numerous meter changes, it's three part song that combines acid rock with folk then hard rock with doo wopp vocals. Those are all unique fusions some of them combining multiple time signatures or unusual meters or modal music. Also songs like Norwegian Wood, Sgt Peppers the title song has unusual fusions and few others also but that's why the Beatles music is so influential they were doing things in the rock realm that no one was doing and I think I have prove that point. Revolver on that one album fuses chamber pop, emerging pyschedelia, musique concrete, stax with motown rock, hard rock with funk , classical, music hall, baroque, Indian style and Indian classical, country with pyschedleic rock and avant garde . It has modal music, tape manipulations, odd time signatures, intentional dissonnace electronic manipulations. Can you name one rock album that is that diverse and different before it came out. This album with Rubber Soul are the albums and with it's accompanying singles changed rock and roll into rock. In 100 years no one will be really be talking about Faust and if you notice no one really talks about many artists from the 50's and the 60's. I do agree with Scaruffi on one thing Elvis Presley was overated. Some corrections on Scaruffi time lines the Beatles wrote seven number one songs in 1964 more than anyone else that year six performed by the Beatles and one they wrote for Peter and Gordon. Ticket to Ride has Indian influence with the use of the mimicked Indian Drone that was recorded before See My Friends by the Kinks and may have influenced it and I got the information from the book Revolution in the Head. Norwegian Wood is raga rock with it's use of the sitar and use of drone and it's in Mixolydian mode though it's really a folk rock raga hybrid and that came out month's before Eight Miles High which I have to give them credit for making a great song with influence.
Sal66
First the Beatles were already playing pyschedelic music on the single Rain and that was one of the first pyschedlic top 40 hits in May of 1966 and Revolver is considered by most people the first pyscehdelic number one album ever with Tomorrow Never Knows being one of the most influential rock tracks of all time with it's extensive use of tape loops, sampling,cacophony, ADT, avant and musique concrete, backwards guitar,eastern mysticism lyrics, traditonal idiian drone, reverse fade in, limiting on drums , non rock modal tune,vocals through a leslie speaker, drone bass,the use of tamboura, reverse drone, seagull noises from laughter and guitar that was recorded backwards and sped up.I guess that one song has more innovation then I think the Rolling Stones had in there 40 year recording career.What albums and genres did Sgt Pepper influence it is considered by many prog musicians like Steve Howe of Yes and Robert Fripp of King Crimson the start of progressive rock, with songs like A Day In the life with it's full symphony orchestra the start of Symphonic rock go ask ELO or the Moody Blues on that one, with it being the first major rock album to go number one with no singles and the year that the albums sold more than the singles it basically started classic rock radio, it had trippy carnival music, classical Indian music with string arrangemets, string arrangememts with no rock instrumnents, a chord that goes 40 seconds, aesthitic linking with art to its music, concentric run out groove, printed lyrics, heavy distorted rock with 19 century brass sound, music hall, a hidden track for dogs, two continous side of music without convntional pauses, tracks that merged into each other wothout silence, orchestral cacophony, tunes with unusaul time signatures though they had done that in previous albums, tunes in dorian mode and mixolydian mode also something they did in previous albums, orchestral crescendo's, it had maybe the first songs with phase shifting and direct injection not your normal pop rock album. Let's see albums it influenced since it is considered by many people the album that changed Rock & Roll into rock though I think that should go to Rubber Soul and to Bob Dylan that's a dumb question let's see it inflenced Pink Floyd' Piper at Gates of Dawn and Dark Side of the Moon,the Rolling Stones santanic majesties reguest, King Crimson first album,the Moody Blues, Jimi Hendris Axis Bold as Love and many others certainly more than faust. And why do people like you have to hold the Beatles to a different standard than everyone else the Beatles like many of there peers were pop rock acts and the Beatles should be judged on that and what they bought to rock music and they certainly bought more than Captain Beefhart or even The Rolling Stones. Many of the acts you champion are strictly one dimensional and you don't have to have eight minutes songs to be great then you woul have rule out most rock artists. One more point on Sgt Pepper you have ignored the fact that the last three songs which covers about nine minutes are linked together without silence and Rubber Soul was the inspiration to Pet Sounds and that when Brian Wilson heard Sgt Pepper he gave up recording his answer to Revolver enough said.
sal66
You guys are missing the main point The Beatles were about combining pop with rock with other types of music and I'm sorry the Beatles were the greatest innovators in that regard you can't accept that.Just go to www.answers.com and just check the amount of artists who the Beatles influenced and compare it to anyone else. The Beatles could say more in three minutes than the Doors could say in 10 minutes. Are you telling me that Tommorow Never Knows or Strawberry Fields is not original or does not fuse differenct styles or Love You To does not use Indian scales which it does. The discussion is rock music not jazz and it's not my problem the Beatles songs are the most covered in music and by the way there are loads of tribute albums by jazz artists that cover the Beatles music. All I know the Beatles used the guitar drone, cacophony, avante garde, before the Velvet Underground, volume swells ,audio feedback, bass distortion trough a fuzzbox before the Yardbirds, reverse feedback reverse drone,Indian scales combing Folk with Rock and Non rock modal tunes before the Byrds,one chord raga's, traditional Indian drone, backward guitar and vocals before the Kinks. The Beatles combined genuine classical Indain music with rock and full symphony orchestra with rock while most of there peers were struggling writing full original albums. Scaruffi does not mention the Beatles also combined ska with rock in early 1964 with I Call Her Name when no one in rock music knew what it was. The Beatles string arangements like the srting quartet or the string octet with no rock instruments in Eleanor Rigby who was doing that in rock music or the avant garde type string sounds of Strawberry Fields or I am the Walrus as instructed by Lennon to George Martin. What about the use musique concrete Rain is the first rock song to reach the top 40 with that technique and the first influetial use of the mellotron is Tomorrow Never Knows and Strawberry Fields. I'm also a musician also and I know that the Beatles devoloped many guitar tones and textures in rock music and I will give you some the swirling Indian textures of Tomorrow Never knows, or the foggy texture of Blue Jay Way, the carnival texture of Mr Kite, or the leslie arpeggios used on Abbey Road I can name so many more. The Beatles instigated such things as Automatic Ddouble Tracking, Direct Injection,many varispeeding techniques, backmasking, hidden tracks, concentric runout grooves,tracks merging into each other printed lyrics and so many others.The discussion is rock music and if you see many of the things the things the Velvet Undergrund did the Beatles did first. The Beatles aproached things in a pop rock concept and most rock acts approached music that and the Beatles were the most influential in that approach and also on more point lyrically the Beatles did write protest songs, songs about eastern mysticism, surrrealism, and agnst another myth destroyed.
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Look Rubber Soul was the album that influenced Pet Sounds and Revlover influenced Gerry Garcia, Syd Barrett,Robbi Krieger and the Jefferson Airplane and JimI Hendrix enough said. Sgt Peppers is not the best album by the Beatles but it much more influential than the Velvet Undergroud like it or not.
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Scarufi is just jealous the Beatles are the most influential rock act of all time and he is very misinformed about the Beatles. The Beatles combined pop with rock and that's what they did and Captain Beefhart is just plain noise the Beatles combined melody with innovation the Beatles were the first to actually to release a record with sitar the Yardbirds just attempted a version and used guitar instead. The Beatles used drone before the Kinks the Byrds became a electric rock band because of there success with folk with rock. The Beatles were the first to use classical Indian music with rock and play Indian scales on sitar in rock and the Beach Boys were inspired by Rubber Soul to make Pet Sounds. The Kinks, the Rolling Stones and most of the British Invasion acts their first singles were cover versions not the Beatles they had six number one records and one more for another artist in 1964 when most hits were written for other artists. The Beatles were one othe first rock acts to use avante garde, musique concrete,complete orchestra, Indian orchestra in rock, backward instrumntation and voacls, tape loops and sampling and Revolver was the first number one album that had pyschedelic music. If you go to www.answers.com the Beatles are easily the most influential act with in rock music and the Beatles are the main reason rock and roll became rock.It's not there fault that people like you can't except the fact The Beatles are influential Captain Beefhart and Faust will never be a big influence because they can't connect with the general audience.Where is the immitation in songs like Tomorrow Never Knows, A Day in the Life,I am the Walrus, Strawberry Fields Forever. I give them more credit for creating songs that sound nothing like what was happening around them unlike the rolling stones who copied them and making it popular.The Beatles are the benchmark for most rock artists Scarufi is clueless in what he is saying. The Beatles are really the one who are most responsible for making the album the medium choice of purchase and most of the greatest Rock bands came after the Beatles broke the American domination of music.The Beatles used, odd meters, non rock modal tunes, errcatic rhytyms,invented certain chords, there chord progressions are the most copied, polyrhythms and introduced many new lyrical themes to rock music. Many of the tones and textures in rock were developed by the Beatles. I would like to see if a band who was the most popular act in the world completely change there sound and still be the most influnetial act at the time please I can on and on.
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