Beats International did a song entitled "Dub Be Good To Me". It is a cover version of the SOS Band song "Just Be Good To Me" sung over the rhythm track of the Clash song "The Guns Of Brixton".
Sugababes did a cover of Adina Howard's song "Freak Like Me" sung over the synthisizer line from Gary Numan's "Are 'Friends' Electric?".
"I Love the Night Life" is NOT by Gloria Gaynor. It is by Alicia Bridges.
"Ain't No Mountian High Enough" is NOT by the Supremes. It is Diana Ross solo.
Note:
"Hot in Herre" is the title of that Nelly tune.
"I Will Always Love You" and "Cum Feel the Noize" are cover versions. The originals were by 1. Dolly Parton (she wrote it) and 2. Slade (they were HUGE in the UK).
There is a recent R&B (?) tune called "Lonely" which incorporates Bobby Vinton's "Mr Lonely" into the chorus only it sounds like it is being sung by Alvin and the Chipmunks.
I hope no one else ever has to hear this song; butIF you do, I'm sure you'll agree it belongs on the list.
It seems to me that your tastes and knowledge of the music is so far removed from their roots that there isn't much point in my responding to 90% of this post. BUT I think I should reply to two things you wrote.
ONE: When I said techno, I didn't mean it as in TECHNO, the (sub)genre. I meant it as in technoLOGY. That is why I prefaced the term with the words "NON-ROCK BASED". Just as when I said pop music in the previous posting(s), I was using it in a general manner, not THE specific one.
To many rock fans, songs that use synthesizers ("Lucky Man", "I Feel Love", "Won't Get Fooled Again") theremin ("Whole Lotta Love", "Good Vibrations") and/or tape manipulation ("Tomorrow Never Knows", "Are You Experienced") etc. are techno (with a lower case "t").
TWO: White Noise's Love Without Sound is at least the right era when it comes to psychedelic rock, but why such an obscure band that few if any would know about? They never had a hit song or album in the US or the UK. Did they ever chart anywhere?
Why not a tune like "Stawberry Fields Forever" or "Somebody to Love" or "Eight Miles High"? These are examples of psychedelic rock that most fans of pop(ular) music will have at least heard of.
"What I'm trying to say is, there are going to be tons of cases at this point of things being SLIGHTLY on the wrong list, and regardless of what list I put certain sub-genres under, they're going to be at least SLIGHTLY off to someone."
"Your MISPLACED CYNICISM aside however, I do agree that Quiet Storm is PROBABLY better under R&B."
Blue-eyed soul and Quiet Storm being listed as sub-genres of Hip-Hop might be off SLIGHTLY? QS is PROBABLY better placed as sub-genres of R&B?
I read these statements as wishy-washy and lacking conviction. Does that mean that I am getting emotional? Does that mean I have misplaced cynicism?
When I used the term "pop music", I didn't mean pop as in POP. I meant it as in popULAR. And when it comes to pop as POP, I don't automatically dismiss it as a reflexive action. I judge each artist/band/group and each song/album individually.
IMO someone like Avril Lavigne is not all that much different from Joni Mitchell and the Wilson sisters or even Joan Jett and Chrissie Hynde. Maybe when it comes to talent, but she is still relatively young and I don't see any reason that her musicianship can't improve with time.
I saw Usher in concert when he first hit the charts (97-98) and he had a conventional rock&roll/r&b BAND (guitar, bass, drums, keyboards, horns) backing him. The main "spotlight" was on his singing and there was no prominent soloing; but he was not fronting for one or two guys with a bank of synthesizers and computers. Now that was a few years back, if there has been a change maybe someone who has seen him recently can fill me in.
The more I look at this listing, the more I see a few things emerging.
One is that your foundational starting point doesn't go back far enough. You talk about MAINSTREAM reggae. Reggae didn't begin as a genre in 2005. There is a history there, as sweeping as that of American or British rock's.
Rock & roll started as a defineable genre in the fifties. The shift from Rock & Roll to Rock happened from 1964 through 1966.
How can anything by the Paladins be the best example for rockabilly when compared to say Carl Perkin's song "Blue Suede Shoes"? I even think that the commercial success of the Stray Cats would make them a more exceptable choice.
Pink Floyd's The Wall is listed as Psychedelic Rock. The Psychedelic era was over 10 years before that recording was released. It is an art-rock/progressive rock concept album.
Where is the terminology, where are the genres and where are these examples coming from?
As I asked before, how are blues and country sub-genres of Rock when they pre-date it by decades?
How is jazz a sub-genre of classical when it is an uniquely American form of pop(ular) music while classical is fully European in origin?
Now maybe some here will question my motives, my mindset, my who-knows. That it why I gave this reply much more thought than my last one.
I respectfully suggest three things.
ONE: this listing needs to be approached first from a completely historical perspective. Example: Rock&roll and Rockabilly need to be nearer the beginning of any Rock list.
TWO: The (uber) genres need to be better defined and they need to be place with-in the proper musical and historical contexts.
Examples:
(American) POPular = Traditional Pop, Jazz, Rock & Roll (Rock, R&B, Reggae)
(American) FOLK = Blues, Country
AVANT = IMO Non-rock based Techno.
CLASSICAL
WORLD
THREE: this listing should be approached from a completely neutral perspective when it comes to the artistic worth of any particular genre/sub-genre.
Statements like "the worst music in the entire world, king of image stealing and not giving credit to the real musicians behind it" and "basically ex-pop guys who try to be black - avoid this" are opinion where opinion is unwarrented. I mean, is this an informational list first and foremost or an opinion list.
IF it is an opinion list, then my critique is misguided; but IMO so it the idea for creating it in the first place. Understand?
Late Blues "Let's Straighten It Out" by Latimore
Classic Rhythm and Blues "Money Honey" by Drifters
Funk "One Nation Under A Groove" by Funkadelic
Jump-blues "Train Kept A Rollin'" by Tiny Bradshaw
Instrumental R&B "Green Onions" by Booker T And The MG's
Black Rock&Roll "Maybellene" by Chuck Berry
Chicago Soul "People Get Ready" by the Impressions
Motown (R&B) "I Can't Help Myself" by the Four Tops
Southern Soul "In The Midnight Hour" by Wilson Pickett
Early (?) disco "Never Can Say Goodbye" by Gloria Gaynor
Philly (Soul) "The Love I Lost" by Harold Melvin And the Blue Notes
"Modern R&B (falls better under electronic, the line is quite blurry, as R & B started being electronic music entirely part of the way along)"
As with your take on reggae, I disagree. Modern R&B is no more techno than any other kind of modern pop music. Is an electric guitar now considered to be an electronic instrument?
I noticed that you had the term Quiet Storm listed under Hip-Hop. I defy anyone to listen to the Smokey Robinson song that gave the genre its name and then tell me how it is related to hip-hop. It can't be done.
Blue-eyed soul was also listed there. So now the Righteous Brothers are considered to be hip-hop? What about Hall & Oates?
Hanks needs to play a character that is evil to the core. It is the one type of role he hasn't played so far.
Harvey Korman invented that? Wow!
You need to stop listening to so much Euro-trash
Are you trying to tell me you've never heard of Smokey Robinson?!?
Your options are too white. Where is Smokey?
Where is "Rock And Roll Animal"?
Scenes involving a woman changing her clothes:
She will always leave her door open and there will always be a mirror which gives her guest a view of her changing.
IF she sees the guest watching her undress:
1) She will see him in the mirror
2) She will never be embarrassed, but instead display a small, turned-on smile.
Beats International did a song entitled "Dub Be Good To Me". It is a cover version of the SOS Band song "Just Be Good To Me" sung over the rhythm track of the Clash song "The Guns Of Brixton".
Sugababes did a cover of Adina Howard's song "Freak Like Me" sung over the synthisizer line from Gary Numan's "Are 'Friends' Electric?".
Are these two songs examples of Mesh?
"You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet" is a complete rip-off of the Who... From the Baba O'Reilly riffs to the My Generation stuttering.
A few glaring errors:
"I Love the Night Life" is NOT by Gloria Gaynor. It is by Alicia Bridges.
"Ain't No Mountian High Enough" is NOT by the Supremes. It is Diana Ross solo.
Note:
"Hot in Herre" is the title of that Nelly tune.
"I Will Always Love You" and "Cum Feel the Noize" are cover versions. The originals were by 1. Dolly Parton (she wrote it) and 2. Slade (they were HUGE in the UK).
There is a recent R&B (?) tune called "Lonely" which incorporates Bobby Vinton's "Mr Lonely" into the chorus only it sounds like it is being sung by Alvin and the Chipmunks.
I hope no one else ever has to hear this song; butIF you do, I'm sure you'll agree it belongs on the list.
Workers installing a large piece of glass during scenes involving...
One: A car chase - the glass is gonna get hit by one of the vechiles or the workers are gonna accidentally drop it after the cars pass by
Two: A sniper - the glass will catch the glare of the sun causing the shot to miss the intended target.
It seems to me that your tastes and knowledge of the music is so far removed from their roots that there isn't much point in my responding to 90% of this post. BUT I think I should reply to two things you wrote.
ONE: When I said techno, I didn't mean it as in TECHNO, the (sub)genre. I meant it as in technoLOGY. That is why I prefaced the term with the words "NON-ROCK BASED". Just as when I said pop music in the previous posting(s), I was using it in a general manner, not THE specific one.
To many rock fans, songs that use synthesizers ("Lucky Man", "I Feel Love", "Won't Get Fooled Again") theremin ("Whole Lotta Love", "Good Vibrations") and/or tape manipulation ("Tomorrow Never Knows", "Are You Experienced") etc. are techno (with a lower case "t").
TWO: White Noise's Love Without Sound is at least the right era when it comes to psychedelic rock, but why such an obscure band that few if any would know about? They never had a hit song or album in the US or the UK. Did they ever chart anywhere?
Why not a tune like "Stawberry Fields Forever" or "Somebody to Love" or "Eight Miles High"? These are examples of psychedelic rock that most fans of pop(ular) music will have at least heard of.
"What I'm trying to say is, there are going to be tons of cases at this point of things being SLIGHTLY on the wrong list, and regardless of what list I put certain sub-genres under, they're going to be at least SLIGHTLY off to someone."
"Your MISPLACED CYNICISM aside however, I do agree that Quiet Storm is PROBABLY better under R&B."
Blue-eyed soul and Quiet Storm being listed as sub-genres of Hip-Hop might be off SLIGHTLY? QS is PROBABLY better placed as sub-genres of R&B?
I read these statements as wishy-washy and lacking conviction. Does that mean that I am getting emotional? Does that mean I have misplaced cynicism?
When I used the term "pop music", I didn't mean pop as in POP. I meant it as in popULAR. And when it comes to pop as POP, I don't automatically dismiss it as a reflexive action. I judge each artist/band/group and each song/album individually.
IMO someone like Avril Lavigne is not all that much different from Joni Mitchell and the Wilson sisters or even Joan Jett and Chrissie Hynde. Maybe when it comes to talent, but she is still relatively young and I don't see any reason that her musicianship can't improve with time.
I saw Usher in concert when he first hit the charts (97-98) and he had a conventional rock&roll/r&b BAND (guitar, bass, drums, keyboards, horns) backing him. The main "spotlight" was on his singing and there was no prominent soloing; but he was not fronting for one or two guys with a bank of synthesizers and computers. Now that was a few years back, if there has been a change maybe someone who has seen him recently can fill me in.
The more I look at this listing, the more I see a few things emerging.
One is that your foundational starting point doesn't go back far enough. You talk about MAINSTREAM reggae. Reggae didn't begin as a genre in 2005. There is a history there, as sweeping as that of American or British rock's.
Rock & roll started as a defineable genre in the fifties. The shift from Rock & Roll to Rock happened from 1964 through 1966.
How can anything by the Paladins be the best example for rockabilly when compared to say Carl Perkin's song "Blue Suede Shoes"? I even think that the commercial success of the Stray Cats would make them a more exceptable choice.
Pink Floyd's The Wall is listed as Psychedelic Rock. The Psychedelic era was over 10 years before that recording was released. It is an art-rock/progressive rock concept album.
Where is the terminology, where are the genres and where are these examples coming from?
As I asked before, how are blues and country sub-genres of Rock when they pre-date it by decades?
How is jazz a sub-genre of classical when it is an uniquely American form of pop(ular) music while classical is fully European in origin?
Now maybe some here will question my motives, my mindset, my who-knows. That it why I gave this reply much more thought than my last one.
I respectfully suggest three things.
ONE: this listing needs to be approached first from a completely historical perspective. Example: Rock&roll and Rockabilly need to be nearer the beginning of any Rock list.
TWO: The (uber) genres need to be better defined and they need to be place with-in the proper musical and historical contexts.
Examples:
(American) POPular = Traditional Pop, Jazz, Rock & Roll (Rock, R&B, Reggae)
(American) FOLK = Blues, Country
AVANT = IMO Non-rock based Techno.
CLASSICAL
WORLD
THREE: this listing should be approached from a completely neutral perspective when it comes to the artistic worth of any particular genre/sub-genre.
Statements like "the worst music in the entire world, king of image stealing and not giving credit to the real musicians behind it" and "basically ex-pop guys who try to be black - avoid this" are opinion where opinion is unwarrented. I mean, is this an informational list first and foremost or an opinion list.
IF it is an opinion list, then my critique is misguided; but IMO so it the idea for creating it in the first place. Understand?
"You seem to get pretty emotional about it."
How can you possibly know anything about my emotions? I wonder if this isn't simply a way to dismiss my critique...
"You must remember - I'm doing this for you, and I'm not getting paid for it."
You are doing this for me? I feel so honored.
R & B/Rhythm & Blues
Late Blues "Let's Straighten It Out" by Latimore
Classic Rhythm and Blues "Money Honey" by Drifters
Funk "One Nation Under A Groove" by Funkadelic
Jump-blues "Train Kept A Rollin'" by Tiny Bradshaw
Instrumental R&B "Green Onions" by Booker T And The MG's
Black Rock&Roll "Maybellene" by Chuck Berry
Chicago Soul "People Get Ready" by the Impressions
Motown (R&B) "I Can't Help Myself" by the Four Tops
Southern Soul "In The Midnight Hour" by Wilson Pickett
Early (?) disco "Never Can Say Goodbye" by Gloria Gaynor
Philly (Soul) "The Love I Lost" by Harold Melvin And the Blue Notes
"Modern R&B (falls better under electronic, the line is quite blurry, as R & B started being electronic music entirely part of the way along)"
As with your take on reggae, I disagree. Modern R&B is no more techno than any other kind of modern pop music. Is an electric guitar now considered to be an electronic instrument?
I noticed that you had the term Quiet Storm listed under Hip-Hop. I defy anyone to listen to the Smokey Robinson song that gave the genre its name and then tell me how it is related to hip-hop. It can't be done.
Blue-eyed soul was also listed there. So now the Righteous Brothers are considered to be hip-hop? What about Hall & Oates?