The Velvet Underground
Submitted by rudolf55 on Sun, 10/29/2006 - 01:13
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The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)

- 1. Sunday Morning: 9.5
- 2. I'm Waiting For The Man: 9.3
- 3. Femme Fatale: 9.7
- 4. Venus In Fur: 9.6
- 5. Run Run Run: 9.0
- 6. All Tommorow's Parties: 9.5
- 7. Heroin: 9.6
- 8. There She Goes Again: 9.1
- 9. I'll Be Your Mirror: 9.4
- 10. The Black Angel's Death Song: 9.0
- 11. European Song: 8.2
- Song Average: 9.3
- Score: 93%
- Comment: Good, but it sort of trails off after the first half and never recovers.
White Light/White Heat (1968)

- 1. White Light/White Heat: 9.1
- 2. The Gift: 9.3
- 3. Lady Godiva's Operation: 9.2
- 4. Here She Comes Now: 8.0
- 5. I Heard Her Call My Name: 5.3
- 6. Sister Ray: 5.8
- Song Average: 7.8
- Score: 72%
- Comment: Ok, the final tally: I hate it. Sister Ray sounds like a couple of prepubescent boys who just got their first instruments and have no clue what to do with them, and unfortunately, it takes up a large chunk of the album. Not that the rest is much better. EXTRA NOTE: I gave Sister Ray another chance. I got an awful headache halfway through the song. Bah.
The Velvet Underground (1969)

- 1. Candy Says: 9.2
- 2. What Goes On: 6.3
- 3. Some Kinda Love: 7.5
- 4. Pale Blue Eyes: 9.0
- 5. Jesus: 9.0
- 6. Beginning To See The Light: 9.3
- 7. I'm Set Free: 9.2
- 8. That's The Story Of My Life: 9.4
- 9. The Murder Mystery: 3.7
- 10. After Hours: 8.2
- Song Average: 8.0
- Score: 81%
- Comment: What happened? Oh, John Cale left? Seems like a good thing, much like Syd Barret's departure giving Pink Floyd a chance to flourish.
Loaded (1970)

- 1. Who Loves The Sun: 9.3
- 2. Sweet Jane: 8.8
- 3. Rock And Roll: 9.0
- 4. Cool It Down: 8.0
- 5. New Age: 9.1
- 6. Head Held High: 7.9
- 7. Lonesome Cowboy Bill: 8.1
- 8. I Found A Reason: 9.3
- 9. Train Round The Bend: 8.2
- 10. Oh! Sweet Nuthin: 9.8
- Song Average: 8.7
- Score: 88%
- Comment: If they'd made one more, they would've made a masterpiece. This comes close.
Author Comments:
Rankings
1. The Velvet Underground And Nico ****1/2/*****
2. Loaded ****/*****
3. The Velvet Underground ****/*****
4. White Light/White Heat ***1/2/*****
I just know I'm gonna get some comments for this.








Yeah, White Light/White Heat is easily the most inaccessible Velvet Underground album. It remains my least favorite of the four, which may mean I haven't listened to it enough (then again, it may not...). The last two albums are more immediately appealing than the first two, although it didn't take me that many listens before I really started to love VU & Nico.
I'm so glad I didn't immediately get a "you hate White Light/White Heat, and rated Sister Ray a 3.3, you must die!"-like response :P
And yes, I thought it was pretty inaccesible. To the point where I just couldn't find any music in it.
I'm hoping I'll like the last two albums more.
You hate White Light/White Heat, and rated Sister Ray a 3.3, you must die! (:
Seriously though:
You're right, White Light/White Heat is a tough haul. The key to throughly enjoying that album and especially avante-garde albums overall, is to focus on the intensity of emotion, not the hooks or the melodies or anything else. Just focusing on, admiring and enjoying how overwhelmingly emotional it is, the force, the intensity. That's all. Once done, the music should unveil itself to you. I should note that it's much simpler if you've taken on jazz, like John Coltrane, Ornette Coleman or Charles Mingus. Classical music helps too, though not usually as much as jazz, since it is traditionally still very much focused on melody.
Communicating emotion is the common denominator in all music, with or without lyrics, with or without melodies or choruses, with or without structure, regardless of genre. Once you can truly observe this and appreciate and listen to music for this alone, you will be able to love all forms of music, including albums like The Velvet Underground & Nico, White Light/White Heat and other avante-garde works.
I do look for emotion. I note how a song or an album makes me feel.
And all I got from White Light/White Heat was a slight headache.
But that's just me. I can see how other people would enjoy it. It was just a bit too...well, distant for me. I never felt like I was listening to music. Just a few boys playing their instruments, somewhere in the distance. I didn't feel it, didn't feel any connection That may sound absurd, but that's how I feel. But yes, maybe I should try listening to it again. But only after I've listened to more music. A lot more.
Ok, it may be hard trying to explain this. I'm still not sure how to explain anything about music.
What I am about to say is only important or valid if you are interested in expanding your musical horizons. If you're not, then it's possibly going to come across wrong, and I may sound like an asshole.
I really do understand what you're experiencing with these albums. 6 years ago I was in the same boat. This doesn't mean to insinuate that you should want to or feel like you should change the way you listen to music. I am simply pointing out that the way you're listening to music has limited workability. Limited only in the sense in that, if you stick with it, you're unlikely to branch out very much on your musical tastes.
As you say, "I note how an album makes me feel".
It's reactionary. What I mean when I say "looking for the emotion" is causing your affection for an album, not just playing an album and letting it hit you.
Before I go any further I want to assure you that the way you listen to music is not incorrect or wrong or anything. I am simply showing you another route. Mine is not the right route. I've just found it more workeable on a broader scale, that's all. And it is totally fine if you think what I am saying is a bunch of crap. But if you go with it, you may open up a whole new world of listening enjoyment.
Let me explain: most everyone sooner or later, just before or after they get into music, develop and decide on what they like. It can mean a genre, or their favorite band. In looking at your lists and posts, it seems to mostly be melodic folk or pop. Therefore, you are probably most likely to go into listening to a new album with an ideal of "melodic folk/pop" or perhaps "like Blood on the Tracks". There is very little on the first two Velvet Underground albums that follows this ideal. Now, what if you went into an album looking for conviction of emotion? Do you see how that might be more all-encompassing? How it could allow you to see the power and profundity in Sister Ray, which is an emotional odyssey taken to obscene heights? Or what about the build-up and ensuing orgasm that splits open the finale of Heroin? Or the swinging pendulum between life and death that overwhelms Venus In Furs? Or the apocolyptic frenzy of European Son?
Going into an album with a limited ideal will force you to react to an album based on that ideal, as opposed to being more at a cause point as to how you garner feelings from it. Innately, as a being, you really can experience anything. Using your mind, you can think of anything you want, and to greater or lesser degree, experience the emotion in that thought as if it were partially or wholly real. So if you go into an album wanting to have an experience via communicated emotion, then you're much more likely to derive what's great about any and all styles of music than using any other way. This will lead you to a much fuller vocabulary of assessing, dissecting and loving many, perhaps all, musics. With the admirable audacity of your plan to tackle all an artists' works this could be a very desireable route for you. Would you agree? Is there anything you disagree with? Is there anything you want me to explain further?
I understand what you mean.
But I personally don't think I ever listen to music with an ideal. I have an open mind when it comes to these things. It doesn't need to be melodic folk or pop. It can be anything. I listen to everything, expecting to like it. That may seem like a problem, but I don't think it is. Sure, I prefer some genres, but that doesn't mean I'm not open to less melodic genres, and songs. I always try to listen to something as what it is and not as something else. I don't compare anything to an ideal.
Causing an affection for an album, as you say, will only make my affection for it seem forced. I've tried to force affection before, tried to like things I actually didn't like. It never worked and I always just went back to the things I actually liked. It has to hit me on its own.
Though strangely enough, this doesn't mean I disagree. I think you're right that this way might make me enjoy more music. I just don't think it'll be real enjoyment.
Hard to explain, I guess.
I'll simplify what I mean. If you go into an album only looking for the degree of emotional conviction than you will take from it everything that is great about it. This is because all that is great about a musical work of art is the level of emotion it is communicating. It doesn't matter how it's accomplished. The product is all that matters. What is being brought into being by the artist is all that matters. Not how he got there. Not the genre. Not anything but the emotion being communicated.
Now what I've said isn't necessarily fact, it is the route I've chosen to take when viewing music and it's been extremely successful for me. I love music way more than I ever have at any given time in my life, and continuously doing the above has increased my ability to derive the emotional power from music.
It's simple but does take some practice to get used to. You just listen to the music, it doesn't matter what type. And you notice and admire the music's emotional power as it goes. How invigorating is the singer? The guitar? The drums? Everything playing together? Just ask yourself as your listening, how much emotion is all this communicating? You keep listening to it while doing this and sooner or later its greatness will always come through. This is what I mean by causing your affection for the album. By doing this, you're immediately looking for the greatness in an album as opposed to sitting there waiting to hear it. If you sit there and wait to hear it, what is likely to get to you is the superficial (or surface) greatness of an album. This leads to a person rating an album really high and then a couple weeks later not really finding it that brilliant anymore. It is also the route to finding what I consider the true masterpieces of music, which are featured on my "Greatest Albums of All Time" list. And it is probably the main reason that the very best albums are mostly unknown to the public and critics, because I think most people react to music instead of looking for the emotion as I described above.
If you want to discover the greatest I think music has to offer, let me know and I'll help you out. Otherwise, you're doing totally fine on your own and you like what you like, which can't possibly be wrong. As I said before, I am mentioning this because I wish I'd have realized this 5 years ago and didn't use my money buying a bunch of albums I now find vastly inferior to the choices I now make as greatest albums. They are an adventure like no other and many of them are pretty far outside the boundaries of what most coould even conceive of as music, in a realm of genius that actually manages to sit in the same room as the likes of Beethoven and Mozart and the other greats of all time.
Ah, I see what you mean. I guess I understood it wrong before :P
About helping me out, I'll think about it. I'm personally quite pleased with the way I listen to music now, but maybe I'll feel the need for some change in that soon.
I agree. You clearly are enjoying music quite a bit, judging by the albums you've rated. I don't want to interrupt that in the least. Most of the albums I've picked for my list are pretty disassociated with what you've chosen, so if in the future you want to check them out and want my help towards getting accustomed to their sounds/emotional ingenuity, just let me know. In the meantime, keep up the great work!
Ok, thanks!
Peel slowly and see. It took me ages to love VU but now I do. John Cale's solo work is more instantly likeable and I vastly prefer him to them, but now I'd rank VU over Lou Reed, who's Transformer album is better than anything they've ever done. Probably because of Bowie and Ronson's help.