Overrated Films (according to me)
Submitted by 1922 on Mon, 02/07/2005 - 10:48
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- Pulp Fiction
- I think I have often enough explained why I don't like this one.
- The Matrix
- Boring and there is nothing what would make this movie as great as it is often said.
- Hable Con Ella (Talk to Her)
- Loved by critics and public, this film just let me totally cold.
- The Royal Tenenbaums
- The great cast is probably the best part of this disappointing and tiring film. There was by far more potential in the story and the acting ensemble than Wes Anderson eventually made out of it.
- The Philadelphia Story
- At the beginning, I found this film quite amusing and (which was above all due to the excellent actors) sharply observed concerning its characters. But the second half was by far less funny, more predictible and unoriginal. I guess I expected too much a great film like Bringing Up Baby. A good comedy, memorable because of its cast, but nothing more.
- The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
- Don't misunderstand me now: This is surely a very good film, but somehow I missed something in it what would have made an amazing film out of it. Bogart is excellent though.
- Gladiator
- 5 Oscars? What for? OK, this film is technically impressive (even though I have seen better films), but what else would be so great about this movie that it would really deserve 5 Academy Awards? Sorry, but Ridley Scott has made much better films (Alien, Thelma & Louise, etc.).
- Gosford Park
- Sometimes dull and tedious, but full of satirical and ironic wit and jokes. Good, but not overwhelming.
- The Grapes of Wrath
- Here again: a good film, but Ford has made better films. Compared to the novel, it is even more disappointing.
- The Jazz Singer
- This flick would already be forgotten, if it wasn't the first talking picture in history.
- Titanic
- Very sentimental. 11 Oscars? Never deserved, even though technically excellent.
- Die Another Day
- By far the worst Bond-film ever (and I have seen all of them). The story is just completely stupid (even more stupid than in the other 007-adventures). Eventually this heap of shit has destroyed everything Sean Connery and Roger Moore once gave to the name Bond, James Bond.
- Mutiny on the Bounty
- This is just an overlong and repetitive film, well acted, but nothing seriously great.
- Arsenic and Old Lace
- At the beginning, the film is very funny. But after a certain time it was just getting on my nerves.
- Wo hu cang long (Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon)
- Visually and technically surely amazing, the story lacks too much.
- Bram Stoker's Dracula
- This film is very close to the novel, but it doesn't establish its atmosphere. I definetly prefer the B-movie (1958) with Christopher Lee, which is much more entertaining.
- Ben-Hur
- Sometimes I can't think of any other beloved (not by me, but by people in general) movie that is more boring than this overlong and superficial film. The only memorable scene is the horse race.
- The Sting
- Sorry, but two great actors are just not enough to bear a whole film. OK, that is now exaggerated, but frankly there were much better films in 1973 that would have deserved the Oscar for 'Best Picture' than this one!
- La Règle du Jeu
- Oh, certainly, Renoir reveals here that he has very well understood the rules of filmmaking, but as a whole the films doesn't function, at least not always. Instead of using more satirical wit, Renoir prefered to make caricatures out of his characters, so that, eventually, the movie lets cold and pretty indifferent. Of course, this distance between characters and spectators is important (especially with such directorial intentions), but it is nothing that sticks in your mind for a long time...
- M*A*S*H
- Awfully stupid. No, no, don't tell me this is a great movie. No way. A war satire is certainly an interesting, but also difficult project that Altman wasn't apparently able to realize.
- A Beautiful Mind
- Russell Crowe. Enough said.
- Metropolis
- This film features some of the greatest visual clues and one of the most splendid art directions in cinema. Alas, it has also got one of the worst endings, which destroys the entire movie, plus its message.
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I will, at first read, agree with Pulp Fiction, Titanic and Gladiator as having received many more awards than they should have but we have to keep in mind that we can't in 2005 look at a movie from the 1940's or 1950's and expect to objectively understand why those movies reaped so much praise while some who went unnoticed in those days are now being cited as major breakthrough works of art and currently influence many filmmakers. This having been said, Citizen Kane, whether you like it or not, will always be one of the most important movies ever because it completely changed the way movies were being thought and being made... but of course, that is, as is your list, according to me :)
Yes, I definetly see your point. Actually I have no doubts about Citizen Kane's influence and importance, but personally, I don't think this makes out of it the best film ever (according to AFI). Otherwise many other very important films (like 2001, The Birth of a Nation, etc.) would also deserve this 'honour'. Yet that is just my personal view.
Of course... and the whole point is that there can't be one best ever movie who would stand out above the rest without a doubt... so I guess any movie dubbed "the best ever" automatically becomes overrated.
Truer words...
i disagree... i think citizen kane is overrated because it's considered one of the best ever... and i think there are plenty of films that could take that honor without being considered overrated... i don't really think any movie has been dubbed the best ever, but using that kind of language on a film in terms of "arguably the best ever" or "one of the best ever" doesn't make a movie overrated, it does however in my opinion make citizen kane overrated, because it's just not in that "one of the best ever" category, but i believe many are and deserve to be... so lets not downplay the grossly over appreciated by declaring that any movie refered to using the words "best ever" is overrated... thats my two cents on the subject anyhow...
btw i agree with you on all but one of your choices to some degree... Pulp fiction and the royal tenenbaums could really go either way with me(one day i love em, one day i think I myself overrated them)... mutiny on the bounty is the only one i fully disagree with, but thats a matter of taste... overlong and repetitive to one, slow but strong to another.
Thx for your 2 cents. Mutiny on the Bounty is indeed a matter of taste. Personally, I was very disappointed. I should probably try to see the remake with Marlon Brando and Trevor Howard one day, hoping to get a better film.
If you ever get the chance, you should see Arsenic and Old Lace as a play. I also thought the movie grated, and I think it's because there wasn't enough tension without the tangible presence of actors in the room. I also thought Cary Grant seemed strangely detached, and I don't think I've ever thought that before about one of his performances.
Exactly how I felt about the film. Usually I do like Cary Grant very much, but there he just let me down (even though he was not the major problem of the movie).
hhhmm seen every james bond ay? i really like Goldfinger, the spy who loved me and the living daylights. As for the "newish" ones Goldeneye remains the best.
For 007, my preference would rather go for From Russia with Love, even though Goldfinger is great, too.
From the newer adventures, I am also in favour with Goldeneye.
Hold the phone..how did this go on un-detected on my Wes Anderson radar!! you don't like the masterpiece of a movie, the royal tenenbaums!!?? what!! ok its stylish it has a kiler cast, such a good script..oh my 1922 i'm very disapointed in you :-) lol. just kidding but really you don't like it? wow. i thought the cast were used just right for the context of the movie.
Somewhere the movie didn't get me at all. I felt Anderson could have made much more out of this than we finally got. The actors, above all Gene Hackman and Anjelica Huston, are great, but that is just not enough to bear the entire film.
I'm with rushmore, i think he got as much as anyone could have gotten out of it, and that is a damn great movie... but I think you either have a taste for wes or you don't... that is the nature of autuers.
also... what scorsese is better than goodfellas? raging bull and goodfellas I have at about evenly matched, and i'm sure you wouldn't have said such a thing if you thought it was the second best... so what else do you consider better?
I personally think Taxi Driver is Scorsese's best, although Goodfellas and Raging Bull aren't far behind.
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Taxi Driver is IMO Scorsese's finest work (and that is VERY much to say). Second would be Raging Bull and third the less known After Hours. Also better than Goodfellas were for me Who's That Knocking at my Door? and Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore.
This doesn't mean now that Goodfellas is a bad film. By far not! But compared to the above mentioned films it just can't withstand the comparison.
After hours is great... i say that as much as I possibly can... as far as my tastes go, raging bull and goodfellas are in a whole other league above after hours, taxi driver, and the color of money... those 3 being equals in my opinion... but i have to admit I've only seen taxi driver on starz... so i've far from fully experienced it.
"I think I have often enough explained why I don't like this one."
Where might this be? Do you have a review up somewhere? I found this discussion, but your statements there were kinda vague.
Well, it was in many different posts where I mentioned it. OK then, once more: I think that Pulp Fiction has got an enormous reputation, comparable to those of Casablanca or The Godfather. But I just don't get why people love Tarantino's work so much. My expectations were as high as the disappointment afterwards. Please, what is so special about it? I even tried it twice. The first time, it was pretty unbearable (that is why I turned it off after a certain time). Yet, I gave it a second chance as I have made similar experiences with other movies too (that means, that I only got them at a second viewing, examples here include Dr. Strangelove and Goodfellas). But my opinion about Pulp Fiction didn't alter very much.
However I admit that there might be a certain lack of objectivity from my part, as I was not too happy to discover two actors in it I don't really like (to put it mildly): Bruce Willis, and (worse) John Travolta.
Meanwhile I have decided to give it a third chance, and watch it as soon as it will be next on TV. But could give me some (especially interesting) elements about the film I should look for this time?
I understand that you didn't like it, but this post still doesn't tell me why you didn't like it. What did you find so unbearable? Maybe then I can understand you opinion of it better, and tell you what to look for.
By the way, if you've never seen the film on DVD, you might want to make that your third try instead of catching it on TV. I loved it on DVD, but then I caught part of it in pan-and-scan (a.k.a. fullscreen, a.k.a. Yokelvision) and thought it really lost something with poor mastering and chopped-off sides.
Claro. It was the film's prevailing mood, its atmosphere (for me an important element, and probably I emphasize it too much), which I didn't like. I also felt that it wants to be much more than it eventually is. Many things here are superficial and vain, especially directing and acting.
Well, I'm still not sure exactly what you disliked about it (atmosphere is a pretty general term), but I'll do what I can to help you understand why the atmosphere was considered so inventive.
Well, first of all, I don't know what you've got against Bruce Willis, but I think he is a fine actor, so I can't help you there. In fact, compared to most action stars, he is Olivier. But John Travolta is another story. When Tarantino approached him about Pulp Fiction, Travolta must have been just finishing up work on Look Who's Talking Now (that's the one where the dogs start talking). After Saturday Night Fever his career was a big bust. The Razzies nominated him for worst actor of the 80s. He was known for playing his sort of disaffected youth character from Saturday Night Fever in various romance movies, and he was terrible. He was all washed up. But the thing is, Tarantino likes to take bad things and make them good. His inspirations are 70s blaxploitation, action, and kung fu movies that mainstream audiences would adamantly shun, but he makes movies that everyone can enjoy. And he wanted to take John Travolta and make him into a hit man. Can you imagine that? It would be like going up to Hugh Grant and asking him to play a badass international assassin. It's similar to what Sergio Leone did for Henry Fonda in Once Upon a Time in the West - granted, Fonda has always been in great Westerns, but that casting definitely messed with his persona. And Leone is one of QT's favorite directors.
But wait! John Travolta is no ordinary hit man! Have you ever seen a film about hit men where the killing is so unimportant? No, these are hit men who talk about quarter pounders and foot massages, hit men who question their boss's decisions, hit men who accidentally kill someone and then worry about getting the car cleaned. Because hit men are people too.
But wait, there's more! Another person is being redefined in this film: Tarantino himself. People knew him as the writer/director of Reservoir Dogs and the writer of True Romance, both incredibly bloody films with high body counts. He had a reputation as a gory, blood-n-guts filmmaker. But Pulp Fiction is far from a violent film - as I said, this isn't about a hit man killing people, it's about a hit man going out on a date with his boss's wife. There are drugs, rape, and violence in this film, but the film isn't about drugs, rape, or violence in the least bit.
And then you have Samuel L. Jackson's character. With his ridiculous over-the-top attitude and gerry curls, he's a replica from some 70s blaxploitation film. Look at the scene when he busts into Brett's apartment. I've never had so much fun watching a hit man work. But wait, this caricature has depth to him. In fact, he has a religious awakening, decides to quit killing people, and gives up a worldly possession (his wallet) to Tim Roth and Amanda Plummer .
The film just consistently avoids doing what you expect it to do. It avoids contrived plot developments. A hit man going on a date with his boss's wife, we know the boss is the jealous type - so we expect that the boss will think they've hooked up or something and go on a murderous rampage, right? Wrong. And you could think of many possibilities for how Bruce Willis's story could end, but they would all be wrong.
I think if you avoid looking for flaws and just try to enjoy the film, you will. The chemistry between Travola and Jackson is wonderful, and their dialogue is fabulously written. Mia Wallace is one of the most appealing female characters I've ever seen, and Uma does a fantastic job. And what is in that briefcase? I think if you're expecting the epic, you will be disappointed. Pulp Fiction isn't about the epic. It's about the details. It's about Uma Thurman saying, "Don't you love it when you go to the bathroom and you come back to find your food waiting for you?", and you think, "Yes! Yes I do!"
People just didn't do this kind of thing in 1994, use this kind of style, or the unchronological sequencing. It inspired films like Go and Sin City. You may not realize it watching the film today, but this kind of style was innovative.
And again, have you ever seen the film on DVD? If you haven't, you should definitely rent it if you want to try again. The fullscreen version I saw looked pretty muddy, and much of the effect was lost.
If there were any English idioms you didn't understand in what I wrote, feel free to let me know. I can be pretty colloquial at times.
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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS!
Through your brilliant post, you made the impossible happen: now I want to see Pulp Fiction once more. As soon as possible I'll see where I can rent it. I'll try to concentrate my viewing more on these points and do as if I were seeing it for the very first time.
I agree about most, though not all.
My own opinion as to why Pulp Fiction is so overrated is basically because it has a facade of being alternative and different without actually being so. It just takes all the standard Hollywood formulas and tweaks them a tiny bit. It's then very easy for people who write script-writing manuals or teach film studies to college students to use the film as an example of alternative filmmaking, with alternative storytelling techniques etc. The film doesn't challenge conventions, it just plays with them a little. Sorry to anyone who loves the film, but I just don't think it deserves the high praise
My opinion would be that indeed you should give Amadeus another look...
I'll do that as soon as I get the occasion. It is not a bad movie, but I think that it doesn't live up to the 8-Oscars-hype.
I agree on Gladiator, Titanic and Matrix.
esp Matrix. Visual brilliance and philosophical bullshit (that gets irritating beyond a point)isn't enough to carry forward a pathetic story...
I'm curious to know, what is it you feel you didn't get about Amadeus?
I did not enjoy this break in the middle of the film. I mean, first the action mainly focusses on Salieri, and in the second half, the relationship between Mozart and Contanze seems to be more important, and Salieri is somehow forgotten.
BUT I'm not sure whether I'd think the same after having rewatched it.
It's strange you would call The Matrix overrated but not Star Wars, since they are identical on so many levels.
The reason for this is maybe that Star Wars is a childhood favourite. Furthermore I hated the pseudo-philosophical parts of The Matrix.
The Matrix movies(I liked all three of them) aren't classic cinema by any rights. Nor do they feature what you would call acting. But as popcorn movies go, they're pretty absorbing and interesting to me.
I disagree about Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. The movie just swept me up into their world so much that I couldn't help but say "That was so cool" at the end credits. It's the fact that it wasn't like the standard chop socky violent martial arts movie that makes it so wonderful, and I loved the two intertwining love stories and the bittersweet ending.
I just can't stand the pseudo-philosophical aspects of The Matrix.
What makes something "pseudo-philosophical"? Do you mean it wasn't really philosophical, the philosophical parts were superfluous, or that you disagreed with the philosophy presented?
Someone should tell all these would-be philosophers to stop spinning their wheels! :-)
There seem to be books about everything...
No, but what I mean is that IMO The Matrix is so pretentious. It wants to be philosophical and important, which it finally isn't. It's just flat. Compare the first Star Wars-film (lets not talk about younglings, or whatever). It's a fairy tale. Simple, and therefore charming. Moreover it doesn't want to be more than it really is. Another reason can be (as I said to Luke above) that Star Wars is a childhood favourite. If I had seen it at the age I saw The Matrix, I wouldn't probably have liked it that much.
I don't mind so much when something strives to be more than it is. I think The Matrix succeeds, whereas the sequels... Not so much. However, if you feel about the original they way I feel about Reloaded and Revolutions, then I know *exactly* what you mean.
Yes, the sequels are even worse than the original, but they don't belong into this list, as the vast majority has recognized those two as being bad films. :)
Before you dismiss the philosophical ambition of The Matrix, try to see it as being a recent pop-culture wannabe in the tradition of (1) Plato's Cave Analogy [The Republic, Book 7], Descartes' Evil Demon [Meditations on First Philosophy, Meditation One] and the Brain-in-a-vat Thought Experiment .
Hmm, I'd be interested to know where you see the parallels to Plato.
All three scenarios are about the question of whether we can know for certain what is real. There is a difference with Plato's cave analogy in that it is not physical reality he is on about but instead a realm that he considered to be the primary reality, namely the realm of the Forms (the perfect models of which physical things are imperfect copies). Nevertheless, Plato's scenario, like the other two, is about knowing for certain what is real.
Ah yes, Ok then. But still I found Plato's approach to be much more interesting.
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"The safest general characterization of the European philosophical tradition is that it consists of a series of footnotes to Plato" ...Alfred North Whitehead [a philosopher/mathematician who is neglected these days but who is worth finding out about]
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