Oscar Mistakes
Submitted by Rushmore on Sun, 08/29/2004 - 11:09
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- Oscar Mistakes..
- Al pacino never getting one for his performance in the "Godfather" Movies
- Bill murray not getting best actor for "lost in Translation"
- Titanic getting best picture 1997
- Chicago getting best picture 2002
- Jim Carrey yet to win one
- Myrna Loy never got an acting Oscar! Thx Lukeprog
- BELOW Suggested by 1922, See his post for more info!
- Julia Roberts getting the oscar instead of Ellen Burstyn Alfred Hitchcock never got an Academy Award
- Stanley Kubrick never got an Oscar for his works as director
- Leone's 'Once Upon a Time in America' wasn't even nominated for an Award.
- 'A Beautiful Mind' getting the Academy Award for 'Best Picture' and 'Best Direction' in 2002, over 'The Fellowship of the Ring'.
- Sir Ian McKellen getting no Award for his performance as Gandalf in one of the three LotR-movies.
- Christopher Lee never getting an Award (not even a nomination). He deserves an Honorary Award.
- 'The Two Towers' only getting 6 nominations and 2 Awards.
- 5. 'The Fellowship of the Ring' just getting 4 Oscars.
- Henry Fonda and John Wayne = Pity Awards
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Note: I Dont really know to much about the oscars and most of this is just my peronal Opinion
Another Oscar mistake:
At the ceremony of 2000, Julia Roberts got the Academy Award for her performance in 'Erin Brockovich' instead of Ellen Burstyn, who would really have deserved it for 'Requiem for a Dream'.
doh! lol i dont like julia roberts that much so its in!
This list could fill volumes and volumes of books. I think an easier list to make would be when the Academy was right on target.
yeah your right that probably wuold be easier! lol, i like a challenge!
Absolutely. I'm not even going to try to contribute. If I started, I couldn't stop until I'd written 10 pages. I'd much rather try to nominate times when the Academy hit it on the nose.
Three other mistakes in Academy Award- History:
- Alfred Hitchcock never got an Academy Award
- Stanley Kubrick never got an Oscar for his works as director
- Leone's 'Once Upon a Time in America' wasn't even nominated for an Award.
Oh, now that I think about it:
1. 'A Beautiful Mind' getting the Academy Award for 'Best Picture' and 'Best Direction' in 2002, over 'The Fellowship of the Ring'.
2. Sir Ian McKellen getting no Award for his performance as Gandalf in one of the three LotR-movies.
3. Christopher Lee never getting an Award (not even a nomination). He deserves an Honorary Award.
4. 'The Two Towers' only getting 6 nominations and 2 Awards.
5. 'The Fellowship of the Ring' just getting 4 Oscars.
some good points raised, its in! you seem to have some strong views on this subject, ever thought of joining the oscar pannel? :"]
Al Pacino: Sometimes that's the way the travesty turns. In 1972 Pacino is nominated as Best Supporting Actor for The Godfather while Brando wins Best Actor for the movie and then refuses the award. The next year Brando and Pacino are both nominated, Brando for Last Tango in Paris and Pacino for Serpico . Inexplicably they both (along with Jack Nicholson and Robert Redford) lose to Jack Lemmon. In 1974 Pacino is nominated for The Godfather II but loses to Art Carney who gets the movie equivalent of a gold watch for Harry and Tonto . In 1975 Pacino in Dog Day Afternoon loses to Nicholson in One Flew Over the Cukoo's Nest . 1979 sees him in ...and Justice for All losing to Dustin Hoffman in Kramer vs. Kramer; Pacino's next nomination would be for Best Supporting Actor in 1990, Dick Tracy . Pacino doubles his chances in 1992 with a Best Actor nomination for Scent of a Woman and a Best Supporting Actor nomination for Glengarry Glen Ross and gets his gold watch for Scent of a Woman over the more deserving Denzel, Clint and Robert Downey, Jr. Every dog has his afternoon. Hoo-ha indeed!
It would be hard to complain about Bill Murray losing in his first time out to four-time nominee Sean Penn. There was some prime Oscar manoeuvring going on that year: The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King had to win in 2003 after the Academy had mistakenly ignored the two previous films in 2001 and 2002. Likewise, Peter Jackson was a mortal lock for Best Director after losing out the previous two years (he wasn't even nominated in 2002!) and creating a trilogy that comes close to taking in $3 billion. This means that Mystic River and director Clint Eastwood were going to lose in their categories as well as Best Screenplay (Adapted) to the juggernaut that was The Lord of the Rings which went 11-0. Marcia Gay Harden already had an Oscar from Pollock in 2000. So Tim Robbins and Sean Penn get their long-deserved first Oscars. Besides, comic actors never win anything.
I probably woulda voted for L.A. Confidential over Titanic but it's a close call. If you think that the Oscars are for films rather than movies then that makes sense but Hollywood has a hard time denying the billion dollar movie when one is nominated. To do anything else would be to admit their own hollowness and lack of vision. I definitely think that Cameron deserved Best Director for all of the hurdles he had to clear in making a movie out of Titanic .
As for Chicago what can I say? When you're right you're right.
Jim Carrey? See Bill Murray above. He's gonna have to play an ugly, long-suffering character with a handicap in a big budget film before he gets his Oscar. It's called the "Tom Hanks Gambit".
Remember, if The Oscars made sense would Marisa Tomei have one?
some great points made there. it seems to me that in the oscars it seems to follow a pattern. if lets say "One Flew Over Cuckoos Nest" gets the best film oscar (which it did) then its likely to get best Actor (yes again) best Actress (...) Best Director and so on. much like Titanic / lord of the rings though lord of the rings got unfaily alot less oscars than most, as my memory recalls, please correct me if this is in-correct.
Now you raised a point i didnt know about, i didnt know that pacino was nominated for "Dog Day Afternoon" im glad he was nominated as that film is a masterpiece.
Also one thing about the whole godfather thing that always makes me feel sorry for Pacino. right Brando won best actor in 1972 and pacino lost supporting, but then when Godfather2 came along he lost again this time to Robert De niro for playing same character as Brando..so he lost to the same guy (character) Twice :) bbet thats a first!
Also Not only did De niro and Brando steal the oscar from pacino TWICE for playing THE SAME Character! they also got equal praise for playing the same boxer in seperate movies! lol
Alo about the Murray Thing? Do you think "Lost In Translation" was his lat chance at the oscar? i hope not.
There is a great database on the Oscars with a search function that makes things easy.
I agree with you that Best Picture tends to get you Best Director and I think this is appropriate. Settle down screenwriter fans, you know your place in the food chain once the cameras begin to roll... besides you'll always have Broadway. Going back to 1972 and The Godfather (thirty-two Oscar ceremonies) Best Picture will get you 31 nominations for Best Director and 26 wins. That's a 97% nomination rate and an 81% winning percentage. For the Bill James fans in the audience that's an 84% success rate when nominated [WINS/NOMINATIONS]. Some of the numbers may be slightly off due to multiple nominations in the same category (see Supporting Actor for both Godfathers) because, while I may like Bill James, I'm no fanatic about it.
[Best Director=BDir, Best Actor=ACm, Best Actress=ACf,
Best Supporting Actor=SAm, Best Supporting Actress=SAf,
nominations=nm, wins=wn, years=32,
nomination rate=(nm/32)=NR, winning percentage=(wn/32)=WP, success rate=(wn/nm)=SR]
- - - - nm - wn -NR WP SR
BDir- 31 - 26 - 97 - 81 - 84
ACm 22 - 10 - 69 - 31 - 45
ACf- 11 - 05 - 34 - 16 - 45
SAm 27 - 06 - 84 - 19 - 22
SAf- 10 - 06 - 31 - 19 - 60
So 81% of the Best Pictures have been directed by the Best Directors while none of the individual acting category winners appear in more than a third of the Best Pictures. Exactly two thirds of Best Picture winners do have at least one winner in the acting categories (which means that fully one third of Best Pictures have no acting winners.)
This breakdown has turned out to be a damning indictment of Hollywood as to how it treats women. If you are nominated in the Best Actor/Actress category your odds of winning (when your film wins Best Picture) are exactly the same: 45%. Actors, however, have a two to one advantage in nominations and winners. Smooshing Best --- and Best Supporting --- categories together just makes it worse. In Best Picture winners there have been 49 nominations for Actors while Actresses have had only 22 nominations. This means that in Best Pictures (in the judgement of mainstream Hollywood) have more than twice as many good roles for males than females. The good news for actresses is that if you are nominated as Best Supporting Actress and your movie wins Best Picture you have a better than even chance of winning.
Let me put this inequity in a different way. Most Best Supporting Actress roles are supporting a male lead, a lead that is not worthy of Oscar consideration. The sheer number of Supporting Actor nominations who fail to win emphasizes how many good male roles there are in good pictures. That is, Best Pictures have an average of 1.5 nomination-worthy male roles even as they have less than half as many good roles for women. If you direct four Best Picture winners you will have had just over six nominated roles for men... and still fewer than three roles for women.
My personal beef with The Academy is over Meryl Streep: 13 nominations and 2 wins... two!
But don't worry, ladies. You can always do an extended nude scene to attract the Oscar voter's attention. Who knows? Maybe you'll end up being the first woman of color to win the Best Actress Award.
As for Bill Murray, I am absolutely certain that he will get his Oscar. It may have to be for a small supporting role in a very serious movie but that's just the way it is. Since The Razor's Edge he has been choosing serious, interesting roles with greater and greater frequency. I think that he has become much better at choosing roles for himself and not having to create them himself. Remember, it took a decade after his first nomination for Robin Williams to get his Oscar. Bill Murray will get his gimme sooner or later and it will probably be at the expense of the next generation's Pacino.
I'd like to shank The Academy.
Sometimse I wish I had OCD so I could sit down and get something done. Is it contagious?
:-)
Okay, I said I wouldn't even try to start a list that would be so long, but here's one that REALLY stands out to me:
Myrna Loy never got an acting Oscar! After 129 amazing, subtle, nuanced performances, she never got an Oscar (only an honorary one at the age of 29)
Grrr... must kill... someone...
Thx mate, its in!..have to say though (Now dont get angry :) but ive never heard of her :)
Cool, thanks.
I thought it would be bigger. Good points. Then there's the whole Citizen Kane-How Green Was My Valley "thing" and the fact that Cimmaron actually won the first year. egad.
T'ho
:?)
Thing is i dont know Squat about the oscars :)
How about ALL OF THEM!
For starters how about Henry Fonda and John Wayne Only getting a pity award in their elderly years and never being even nominated prior.
and the once upon a time in america isn't the oscars mistake... it's the fact they got the editor from police academy 4 to cut it and half and put it in chronological order.butchered it