MOST WANTED: music and movies
Submitted by lukeprog on Sun, 02/05/2006 - 05:55
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- Music: (to hear)
- Pierre Henry - Messe pour le temp present / Reine Verte (not on CD in complete form?)
- Rhys Chatham - An Angel Moves Too Fast To See
- Lennie Tristano - Descent into the Maelstrom
- Karlheinz Stockhausen - Gesang der Junglinge
- LaMonte Young - The Well-Tuned Piano
- Guillermo Gregorio - Approximately
- Bob Drake - Little Black Train
- Toby Dammit - Top Dollar
- Movies: (to see)
- Amateur (1994)
- Cache (2005)
- The New World (2005)
- Hawaii, Oslo (2004)
- The Passenger (1975)
- Kings and Queen (2004)
- The Mother and the Whore (1973)
- Underground (1995)
- Capote (2005)
- The Squid and the Whale (2005)
- 2046 (2004)
- Grizzly Man (2005)
- Human Nature (2001)
- Los Angeles Plays Itself (2003)
- Twin Peaks (1990)
- Satantango (1994)
- Murderball (2005)
- Music (heard!)
- Elliot Carter - Symphony of Three Orchestras
- Roy Montgomery - The Allegory of Hearing
- Dogbowl - Cyclops Nuclear Submarine Captain
- Zweistein - Trip, Flipout, Meditation
- Vampire Rodents - Lullaby Land
- Sandy Bull - Fantasias for Guitar & Banjo
- Ghost - Lama Rabi Rabi
- Lightwave - Mundus Subterraneus
- John Adams - Naive and Sentimental Music
- Red Crayola - The Parable of an Arable Land
- Gong - Flying Teapot
- Dead Can Dance - Spleen and Ideal
- Popol Vuh - In Den Gaerten Pharaos
- Witold Lutoslawski - Symphony #3
- Movies (seen!)
- A History of Violence (2004)
- Brokeback Mountain (2005)
- The People Vs. Larry Flynt (1996)
- Through a Glass Darkly (1961)
- David Holzman's Diary (1967)
- Naked (1993)
- Woman in the Dunes (1964)
- Tarnation (2004)
If anyone has Messe pour le temp present / Reine Verte or Snaketime Rhythms in a digital format, please let me know. They've disappeared off the (Google) face of the earth.
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oh... you edited. I didn't know that you were looking for Moondog stuff...
flash research makes me doubt that Snaketime Rhythms has been converted into digital form.
The La Reine Verte there is an incomplete edit, and the Messe Pour Le Temps Present is a remix album.
Snaketime Rhythms hasn't been officially mastered to digital, no. It's currently in Satantango's predicament, though somehow I think Satantango has a better chance of eventual release.
Thanks for the research.
0dysseus, in case you missed it: I've recommended Indian War Whoop by The Holy Modal Rounders to you personally as part of this game. It's brilliant, creative, hilarious, and renegade, kind of like... you know.
Thank you for what I take to be compliments. Undeserved and flattering though they are I want to tell you to keep up the good work. But as for your recommendation I must say that it sounds remarkably similar to music.
This may help... or not: Remember, I write about what what interests me about what other people are interested in. I so rarely write about what interests me alone. Good luck to you with that.
I do try to keep track of what listologists who either agree with or enjoy my contributions contribute but I am grateful for the reminder.
You had no problem writing about your interest in Bruce.
Somewhere in your above post I think you've said you heard Indian War Whoop but didn't like it. Is that fair?
I'm not certain that I'm being fair but I did listen to a couple of songs off of Indian War Whoop as well as songs from their other three (four? more?) albums and a live performance of the Du-Tels from 2001. You are right, I didn't like it.
As for Bruce Springsteen... I did respond/post to a Springsteen page. But I admit that would be a clue and probably a big one. So the question is: What is it that I like about Springsteen?
...and why?
Alas, there's no indication in your posts that what you like about Springsteen is his music, which means you might love Bruce Springsteen but not Nick Cave, and instead Jello Biafra, who shares nonmusical similarities with Bruce. Which is no help to me in making recommendations, since I mostly pay attention to just the music.
But I do infer from your feedback on Indian War Whoop that you might prefer more popular and polished music, like Out of Time and Screamadelica. So, the case continues. One of these days I may even know your sex for sure.
"Music" is more than tones and rhythm... often. And I'm surprised that you "mostly pay attention to just the music." There doesn't seem to be much melody and harmony in the direction you are heading.
So sometimes the suggestions are more important than the results. Relax and listen to your heart. There are few things better than the conversations that follow "You gotta hear (read/watch) this!.." You should know that I can only think of two times when a friend's recommendation worked out wonderfully for me.
When you data mine consider that diversity is and aesthetic... and I should stop being coy (no matter how much I revel in it.)
Before you toss out your coy, consider that others may have some revel in it, too. But you'd better not be (1) A 40-something woman with (2) IT experience or a current part-time job in the industry who (3) plays puzzle games. I've somehow managed to innocently meet an absurd number of people online who match all three qualifiers.
Who am I kidding? That coy has got too much revel in it. It's not going anywhere.
What do you think of Gustav Mahler?
I've got his 9 symphonies and Das Lied von der Erde, and it's all quite good. I wouldn't say he's in my top 10 favorite composers or anything, though. Are you a big fan?
Not really a big fan. It's right now that I'm discovering him. Yesterday, I watched Visconti's masterful Death in Venice, and I found Mahler's Adagietto No. 5 to be very powerful.
I'll have to check out Das Lied von der Erde.
One of my favourite composers is Maurice Ravel. And some Verdi too.
I wouldn't recommend Das Lied von der Erde, my least-favorite Mahler piece. If you want to talk composers in general, I'm all for it. I just don't spend a lot of time with Mahler. You up for it?
Sure, why not.
I've heard many early Western composers like Dufay, Palestrina, and Byrd, though their music is simple. My favorite from early periods is Carlo Gesualdo, both for his desperate music and personal story. I like all the major Baroque composers, Pachelbel through Mozart, but like most people I prefer Romantic and post-Romantic music, especially Beethoven. Schubert, Berlioz, Brahms, Dvorak, and Grieg are my favorites from the Romantic.
Among later composers, I love Janacek, Strauss, Sibelius, Rachmaninov, Bartok, Stravinsky, and Shostakovich.
I've explored the more avant-garde works of Varese, Ives, Martinu, Messiaen, Cage, Lutoslawski, Babbitt, Rochberg, Ligeti, Boulez, Berio, Stockhausen, Gubaidulina, Subotnick, Schnittke, and others, but by no means have a large collection.
But where I start getting really excited is with the very recent composers most influenced by minimalism or rock. I love Riley, Reich, Glass, Monk, Nyman, Adams, Branca, Chambers, Golijov, Borboudakis, and many others.
There are dozens of composers from each period I'm familiar with but haven't bothered to list. I haven't got much opera, though.
My favorite piece of music of any genre is John Adams - Harmonielehre (1985). It's a minimalist Romantic symphony in three heartbreaking movements. I'll have to tell you more about it later, and try to convince you to track it down.
So, what about you and classical music?
For me, it is always a little difficult to stick to one single composer, and like/know all of his works.
But let me see...
I like Mozart and Beethoven for classical music (1770-1820) (but who doesn't?), Richard Wagner (pompous, grandiose/ Die Nibelungen) and Giuseppe Verdi (above all his La Traviata) for romantic music (Schumann and Chopin are not really my cup of coffee).
As for 20th century, my favourites would be Claude Debussy (even though I don't know a lot of his work), Maurice Ravel, Igor Strawinsky (Le sacre du printemps), Sergei Prokofiev and Arnold Schönberg (A Survivor from Warsaw).
Other composers I like (either for some, or their entire work) are Gustav Mahler, Georg Friedrich Haendel and Johann Strauß.
I've ordered A Survivor from Warsaw, Die Nibelungen, and La Traviata from my library.
Now let me tell you about Harmonielehre. It begins with a pounding, desperate, accelerating Em chord, which gives way to some very John Williams-esque symphonic passages, albiet with more attention to rhythm and texture than melody. I do headbang to Harmonielehre on occasion.
At 12:30 in the first movement, the music swells bright and beautiful, then descends into an uncertain wariness. But hope returns with angelic woodwinds swooping from above, growing in power with help from some horns, gathering speed and depth until the desperate and hopeful both rise and crash as tsunamis into each other. This turmoil continues, and the first time I heard this I thought the whole time the original Em chords were going to strike at any moment, but the music keeps going, keeps building and rebuilding until FINALLY at 16:45 they return and lay the first movement to waste.
And that's just the first movement.
Seriously, it's powerful stuff. The romance of Symphonie Fantastique and the brutal power of Rite of Spring, in minimalist style. That's how it sounds to me.
In fact, I'll make it my official recommendation for you as part of this game.
John Adams - Harmonielehre (1985)
Ok, thank you. I'll try to get Harmonielehre from somewhere.
Oh, and I forgot mentioning Ennio Morricone, my favourite movie composer.
You can try a full, MP3-quality copy of Harmonielehre here.
Just gotta say WOW! The Parable of an Arable Land is amazing. Of course, now I have to find everything else by Red Crayola.
The complete list of albums in my collection is too big for Listology, but available here.
Do you already know this site which has got some very interesting lists on music and movies...
Thanks, I'll have to check it out!