Rate the New Listology Design
Submitted by jim on Mon, 12/29/2003 - 12:59
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I've mocked up a *possible* new look for Listology here. Please vote your thoughts, and comments/criticisms are welcome. Obviously I personally prefer the new design, but I'm not wedded to it. Here's what I was thinking:
- I wanted to eliminate a lot of the clutter to free up screen real estate and focus on the content. I wanted to make it less "busy."
- I wanted to clean up the HTML and base it more on CSS to decrease the page sizes and to improve the download times and bandwidth usage.
- I want to move lots more "about Listology" information to the home page instead of having it in every header and a ubiquitous sidebar (the new home page is not shown, however).
- I wanted it to look great on the modern browsers: Internet Explorer 6.0, Mozilla 1.4, Firebird 0.7, Netscape 7.0, and Opera 7.0 and be usable on older browsers.
Some consequences:
- Content should start loading quickly, with amenities like graphics (the logo and the button graphics) filling in later as they become available. After your first page load the images and stylesheet should be cached, making those elements very quick to display.
- There are a few visual quirks in Opera 6.0, and Netscape 4.7 looks terrible. It's functional in both browsers though. I can't test any Mac browsers, so feedback there would be great.
Let me know what you think! Oh, make sure you mouse over the header links and the Edit/Clone/etc. buttons to see how you feel about the hover effects.








One other note. If I were to use your example with an "article", in other words - with long sentences that would continually spread from one side of my monitor to the other, it might prove hard to read. The more narrow the paragraph the easier it is to find the next line when you return to the left. Just a thought.
Concerning the sidebar... I think you could turn all three boxes into shortcut links. A small explanation along with the title would help a lot of first timers.
I feel bad you're getting negative feedback on your work. Perhaps you should've asked for feedback before asking for a vote. Sometimes "change" is a hard thing to ask for.
Thanks very much for the sentiment DrJimmy. I put a fair amount of work into that, even if it is just a one-screen mockup, and it's kinda painful to see it land with such a thud, but that's the way it goes, I guess. Good thing I asked now instead of just deploying it!
Two good thoughts on the text wrapping and a "preliminary feedback phase." Regarding the former, one of the things I like about the discussion formatting in the new version is that it wraps as you describe. I should definitely apply the same technique to articles (and lists, for that matter). As for the vote, I definitely should have done it as you suggest. Next time... :-)
Speaking of next time, I think this design "as is" is dead. I still like it quite a bit, so I might try to float an iteration of it, with more sidebar functionality included (perhaps in the footer) and demoed as a working prototype, but I'll have to think on that.
Thanks again for the great feedback and the sympathy!
Regarding the missing sidebar, I'd like to hear more on how often folks use it. I fall into the trap of thinking I'm a typical Listology user, so if I work in a certain way, most other folks do to. This is wrong, of course, but here's how I generally use Listology:
I go right to "recent activity" and read everything that's updated. Then I click through to the stuff I'd like to comment on or read more of. I look at the "recent updates" box in the sidebar because it's there, but it's really redundant with the reading I already do. I search Listology occassionally, but not so frequently that I need a search box on every single page. Having the search functionality one click away would work for me pretty well. As for the other links in the "highlights" box, I tend to use those rarely, and certainly don't need them on every page.
That should give you some idea of how I came to this crackpot design. Of course, not everybody works this way, and I respect that (and want to emphasize that I won't proceed with this unless I can make more people happy about it). Anyway, the ramifications of my own usage pattern led to these ideas for the redesign:
1. Put "search" and "recent activity" in the header so they are always one click away.
2. Move the less-used stuff from "Highlights" to the new Listology front page, which currently only exists in my head.
3. Leave the "recent updates" box on the theoretical home page, but scrap it everywhere else.
But what I really need to know is how much other folks are using the sidebar stuff. Are you using it enough that you really want it on every page, or will it serve your needs to continue to have all those features available on the home page, but no longer on the "content" pages?
Would it be helpful if I also mocked up the home page so you could see what functionality would be available there (including the beloved sidebar!) in addition to the "content" page sample I've mocked up so far?
Thanks for feeding back, everybody! I need a lot more than nine votes though. C'mon folks! :-)
Honestly, I use most of the sidebar features daily except recent activity, which brings up too much for my poor little brain to process at once. First arriving at the site, I usually check out recent posts, then back up and hit more recent updates in: all. I think I use the search feature just about every day, and the member director helps me often. I guess most discussed and hall of fame are the side features I use the least (along with recent activity).
Does that help?
Shalom, y'all!
L. Bangs
Yeah, that helps! If I've made no other mistakes (and I'm sure that's not true), at the very least I've grossly underestimated the importance of the sidebar. The current design stays. :-) The new design will rear its ugly head again some day, but not without some rework (and vetting by my fellow Listologists).
I like the new look, but I do use and would miss the sidebar. If you could redesign the sidebar as well to maintain that functionality but still include the bandwidth savings and new aesthetics I would probably give you a five, without the sidebar I would have to go two or three. Also sometimes when I have a few moments to kill (or I am just very bored) I have been known to make use of the random button so if you could throw that back in somewhere, that would be great.
Thanks for the feedback spoky! I'll definitely keep the random button, but perhaps not on every page. I'll try though. Regarding the sidebar, see my post below. The driving question for me is this: does the sidebar need to exist on every page, or is it adequate to have the sidebar on the home page only (with perhaps some functionality in the footer). This question might be unanswerable until I get another draft mockup up.
Well, first of all, I love the new logo, and the hover effects are cool. Actually, I like everything about how it looks. The more I look at it, the more I like it, but it seems like the site is easier to navigate as it is now.
I like having the sidebar. I really do use it all the time, and I like having the search option right there, without having to click on a link to go to a search page.
I don't really think the page was too cluttered before, but I understand what you're trying to do with this. It does look nice (I'm impressed actually - I would like the layout more than what we have now if it seemed like it was going to be as functional). I'm not sure there's anyway to combine the functionality of the current site and the kind of look you have in the proposed layout.
Honestly, though, the more I look at it, the more I like it. If I was going to vote now (it's been maybe 5 or 10 minutes since I did), I would probably give it a 3 instead of a 2. If you do make the change, I won't be too unhappy.
Thanks geek! I'll try to put together another draft where I include some of the current sidebar functionality in the footer. I think I'll also try to mock up some other pages and link them together so folks can get a better feel for the functional aspects of the new design. Maybe then I'll clear out the votes so folks can re-vote and I'll see if the response is any better. Thanks again!
Good gravy, two "I hate it" votes already! And amidst a generally lukewarm response at that. It's going to take a landslide of positive feedback for me to proceed, otherwise I'll just leave well enough alone. Rats, I thought I was onto something.
I'd be curious to hear specifics about what folks don't like, or if it's just a gut reaction. Is your dislike based on aesthetics ("it looks ugly!") or utility ("I can't believe the sidebar is gone! I use it all the time!")? Be blunt. I'd also like to hear what browsers folks are using so I can know if you're objecting to the design in one of the browsers I know it looks as intended on, or if you're using a browser that displays the site a bit quirkily.
Oh, aside from a sudden landslide of support, I guess the other thing that might make me proceed in the face of such sentiment would be bandwidth costs. If my ISP ever tells me I'm over the limit and starts charging me extra I'd switch (that doesn't appear to be an immediate concern). That mocked up version of "favorite action scenes" is half the size of the original. Between that savings, and the savings from a third Listology's users abandoning ship (based on the current six votes), that'd nip the theoretical bandwidth problem quite thoroughly, I'd think. :-)
I can't believe the sidebar is gone! I use it all the time!
:)
I also just feel like the page is a bit naked. I admire the desire to make the layout less ornate, but the tester just seems a little too stripped down to these eyes. Of course, I might just be too conservative, disliking change, so maybe the design will grow on me. That's my first impression, however. I don't hate, but I don't think I favor it over the current design.
I did dig the hover effects, though.
Shalom, y'all!
L. Bangs
:-) I admit it looks pretty darn Spartan, and perhaps a bit shocking, on first glance (and maybe on second and third glances as well).
Regarding the sidebar, I posted something below, if you wouldn't mind scrolling down and feeding back some more.
Thanks!
You might want to either drop the top line (title) of the list to get below the logo or make the top line a little bolder. There seems to be a conflict between the two that makes the first word in the title a little hard to read. Otherwise, it looks fine.
Good point, thanks!
Just to catch you forum-watchers, come vote in the poll this comment is attached to. The future (appearance) of Listology hangs in the balance. Come one, come all...
I like the site the way it is, but I won't freak out or go nuts if it changes.
What she said.