2008: Movies Sorted By Tier
Submitted by jim on Mon, 02/18/2008 - 11:37
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Loved
- Iron Man ... Interesting counterpoint to The Dark Knight as this one was pure fun from beginning to end. I'm not sure if that makes it better, but it certainly made it more enjoyable. As much as I like them both, Robert Downey Jr. totally smokes Christian Bale. "Best Performance in a Superhero Role" isn't even a contest. I'd like to see a sequel, as I never really followed the comic, but I understand Tony Stark has some dark days ahead, and I'd be curious to see what Downey Jr. does with that.
- Wall-E ... If this isn't Pixar's best it's certainly in the running, and is absolutely their most daring effort. Almost no dialog at all in the first half, and it takes such a bleak view of humanity. I couldn't believe what I was watching at times. Not that I disagreed. How could I, considering how much crap I buy and throw away, and how much time I spend staring at one screen or another? The great movies either run you through the gamut of of emotions or pound you into submission with one or two. This one falls in the former camp. I can't believe how much emotion the Pixar artists wrung from two robots: a little industrial trash compactor and an iPod. Amazing. Oh, and the pre-movie short was non-stop hilarious. I'll buy the DVD for that alone.
- The Wrestler ... No Oscar for Mickey Roarke, rough. Marisa Tomei is also excellent, and I heard Evan Rachel Wood took some critical knocks, but I thought she did great, especially the scene where Roarke first shows up. Gotta credit Aronofsky with the win, though. The thing that makes the movie is that a sense of tragedy--past, current, and impending--always lurks, and you just don't know which way it's going to go in the end. Oh, and can I love Nirvana and still love the line about Kurt Cobain (and the whole discussion about 80s music)?
Really Liked
- The Bank Job ... Perhaps Jason Statham's best movie, with only the early Guy Ritchie movies giving me pause. I may have finally seen enough heist movies to do two things (1) conclude that I really do like the genre instead of thinking it's an inevitably disappointing genre, and (2) form a list of best heist movies. I'm not going to do that now, but if I did, this would find a place on the list.
- The Brothers Bloom ... Delightfully off-kilter con man movie. Kinda weird casting that works great.
- The Dark Knight ... This is going to be one of those weird reviews where I basically spend the whole time bashing a movie I actually liked quite a bit. First off, THE HYPE certainly didn't help. This one's currently number one at IMDb. Number one! Criticisms: it's good the characters around Batman have so much personality, because he has very little (score one for Iron Man/Robert Downey Jr. here). It's a crime to underuse Maggie Gyllenhaal. I didn't really buy the "hero we need, hero we deserve" speechifying. Harvey Dent's character arc should have moved me but it didn't, and I think that is because at the core it wasn't really believable (Aaron Eckhart was very good, though). Heath Ledger turned in an excellent Joker, but again I think the hype tainted it for me. A touch bloated at two-and-a-half hours, I thought, but just a touch. All that said, very good action, certainly dark enough, and I loved the bit with the two boats. A very good superhero movie, but until I see it again I'm not willing to go much more than that.
- Doubt ... So who's this Streep woman? She's pretty good. Tee hee, I kid. Streep is fantastic, as usual. The rest of the cast is also very good. In particular, Viola Davis does a lot with her small role. You know from the title and everything else that there's no way of knowing what really happened, so what's fun to sink your teeth into is whether Streep's character acted appropriately under the circumstances. I imagine your opinion will be heavily influenced on how much you believe in the words "innocent until proven guilty." Good sermons.
- Ghost Town ... I don't really know how Ricky Gervais works the magic he does making unappealing characters a treat to watch, but it's a pretty special magic. Quite a bit of low-key fun, with a certain sweetness.
- Horton Hears a Who! ... Y'know, I really think Dr. Seuss would have liked this, which is high praise. I'm quite impressed at how well they padded out the story while staying true to the storyline and the spirit of it. Nice voice work from the cast, and the animation is great (especially the water, holy cow!). A good year for CGI animation, for sure.
- Kung Fu Panda ... Jack Black's best role (and finally one I like without any reservations). What a cast! I don't know how all these names slipped under my radar, but I think he was the only one I knew about. What the heck is Dustin Hoffman doing here? Good for him, nice work. Typical underdog/self-discovery tale, with all the kung fu elements you could hope for, really well done (the obligatory training scenes, and the battles, big and small). Dreamworks animations's best? Only Shrek gives it a run, and I think I have to give this one the nod (although it might be benefitting from the recency bump). Over the Hedge gets honorable mention, but isn't in the same class.
- Let the Right One In ... Kinda the slow character driven movie you'd expect from the Swedes, if you'll forgive me pigeonholing them a bit. What you get instead of a vampire movie with adolescent undertones is a movie about adolescence, bullying, and the nature of evil that happens to feature a vampire. I initially thought the movie was a bit overrated, but I couldn't shake it over the following days. The thing that makes it stick in your head is the contemplation of this odd, disturbing--but touching--relationship. The pool scene is a classic.
- Man on Wire ... One of those documentaries that gets automatic high marks for the subject rather than its cinematic execution. In fact, I don't really think they did as good a job as they could have making me feel like I was there, but WOW talk about cojones. Philippe Petit's intensity comes across loud and clear, and it was interesting how they hinted at the emotional wreckage a personality like that can leave in its wake there at the end. A totally pointless stunt, and all the more beautiful and terrifying for it. You couldn't even get me to stand at the edge of a building that high and look down.
- Milk ... Excellent. Sean Penn is terrific.
- Quantum of Solace ... The "best Bond" debate is still wide open, but I think Daniel Craig has locked down the "Bond I'd least like to get my ass kicked by" award. I was as anxious as Bond's superiors in the first third of the movie, wondering if he was going to bother talking to anyone, or if the movie was just going to be a series of "Bond beats a man to death in exotic locale" vignettes. This is really the second two hours of a four hour movie, and I like that. I must now watch them back to back, as now I can view Casino Royale as the opening act to the slam-bang finish. On the surface, Craig doesn't seem to register anything but anger, but I think he actually does a great job letting his emotions and loyalty show through ever so briefly and subtly.
- Slumdog Millionaire ... Slightly overhyped, especially since I saw it so late, but still a terrific mix of depressing and uplifting.
- Splinter ... A really nice horror throwback. CGI has all but ruined the monster movie, but this movie eschews it, much to it's benefit. They maybe go a little over the top starting with that guy pretty much coasting through the aftermath of the cinderblock scene, but you can't watch these things too closely. Best to just enjoy the ride. I jumped a couple times, I cringed a couple times, it basically covered all the horror basis in a trim 82 minutes. Nicely done.
- The Spiderwick Chronicles ... This has been a good decade for the kids, hasn't it? Very good dark fantasy, and hangs right in there with the best of the latest crop of (very) young adult book adaptations. Blows the doors of A Series of Unfortunate Events (which wasn't bad) and edges out at least a couple Harry Potter movies. The cast is very strong, and the script is a nice linear build-up. Very nice of the writers to give young viewers credit enough to not dive right into the action. Speaking of the writers, when I stuck around for the credits I noticed there were three of them, which isn't always a good sign, but then you take a second glance and realize, "oh, John Sayles, awesome." So then I checked out Karey Kirkpatrick, and he has an impressive resume. And with this movie David Berenbaum is now batting .500. Oh, very glad we didn't bring our six-year-old, this one would have freaked her right out. Pretty intense.
- Yes Man ... Surprisingly good. Not really Groundhog Day good, but reminiscent enough of it. The opening is very strong, and Terence Stamp is a lot of fun. I suppose the blowjob scene or something like it was inevitable, but they really didn't have to go the puerile route with this one, it has enough going for it without such antics. Too bad, would have been a good one to watch with my 11-year-old otherwise.
Glad I Saw
- Body of Lies ... Always nice to see Russell Crowe and Leonardo DiCaprio in action, but the real pleasure here is Mark Strong. A gritty spy thriller, nicely contrasting Russell's telecommuter with DiCaprio's man on the ground. I liked it fine, and I'm not sure why I didn't like it more.
- Bolt ... Much more fun than I thought it would be, and John Travolta was a surprisingly good choice to voice Bolt. John Lasseter was an Executive Producer, and I think maybe you can feel his hand on the tiller? No idea if he had any real involvement, but there are some Pixary moments, I'd say. I loved watching this with a bunch of seven-ish year-olds, listening to them get confused by who the real Bolt is. This is basically The Truman Show, which is a pretty sophisticated concept to throw at that age group.
- City of Ember ... Knew nothing about this but Amelia wanted to see it because she'd read the book. Totally benign, nice tweener adventure, and it has Tim Robbins and Bill Murray in it, so there you go.
- Get Smart ... Wow, quite a bit funnier than I thought it would be. Carell carries it off. I also find The Rock (sorry, Dwayne Johnson) likeable in pretty much everything. I'm so uncool. Only major gripe here is that this is a 90 minute movie stretched out to 110, and it feels it at times.
- The Incredible Hulk ... Better than the Ang Lee version, at least this one has a bit of a heart, and Edward Norton brings a lighter touch to the role than Eric Bana did. Unsurprisingly, the clash between the CGI titans at the end lacks any kind of punch, but I still enjoyed the ride more than I thought I would.
- Inkheart ... Certainly a better outing for Mr. Fraser than the last mummy movie, and I enjoyed it, but I can't help comparing it to the significantly superior The Spiderwick Chronicles and finding it a bit lacking.
- JCVD ... It's true, Van Damme as you've never seen him before. Playing himself, busting his own image and conventions (and taking a swipe at John Woo!). Quite a bit of fun for that, and he really does nail that soliloquy (you read that right). The actual story is a bit thin, and as an action thriller it's kinda lacking, but those aren't major complaints. Certainly worth seeing.
- Meet Dave ... I liked this far more than I ever thought I'd like something scoring in the 4s on IMDb. Fun for the whole family. It's one of the nice things about Eddie Murphy lately. He's making these critical bombs, but the kids love him.
- Nim's Island ... Feels like a throwback to the old sixties Disney movies, perhaps paced a bit better. Good cast, and the kids really liked it.
- Redbelt ... I enjoy tales of honor, and Chiwetel Ejiofor does a nice, honorable hero. Still not a Mamet fan, still a bit preposterous, but he closes up some of the major holes late in the game, and I felt for our hero right there at the end.
- Taken ... Not quite as much fun as Bourne or Bond, but it's still a worthy entry in the "watch a highly skilled bull wreak havoc on the evil china closet" genre. Liam Neeson's character does set a pretty high parenting bar though. All these skills I didn't know I needed!
- Tropic Thunder ... A fun sendup of all kinds of Hollywood absurdity, but pretty uneven in pacing and humor. Definitely a few good laughs and cringes, though, and it was absolutely worth it for witnessing the impossible: Tom Cruise AND Matthew McConaughey BOTH stealing the movie from Robert Downey Jr. I never thought I'd see the day.
- Valkyrie ... For a movie with a preordained ending, Bryan Singer manages to wring some decent tension and involvement out of it, and this is probably as close as I've come (without quite getting there) to forgetting who Tom Cruise is since that crazy time around when he jumped on Oprah's couch.
- Vantage Point ... All the rewinding does seem like a bit of a gimmick to put a conventional story in more exotic clothes, but I enjoyed it even while suspecting that. Always nice to see Dennis Quaid getting work, and I was impressed with how they start the movie with what appears to be the end of the movie, and still make a story out of it that moves forward.
- Vicky Cristina Barcelona ... On the surface, the main points of interest are the beautiful people, the window into Woody Allen's worldview, and wondering, "geez, is that really the psycho from No Country for Old Men?" But underneath that it does make you think a bit about the nature of our sexual mores, happiness, and the intersection (or divergence) of the two. Still, I couldn't shake the feeling that this is Woody Allen at his most self-indulgent, and that the only reason he didn't cast himself in this one is because he couldn't reconcile having to play Vicky (and the obvious problems there), but WANTING to play Juan Antonio. Or Cristina. Or Maria Elena...
- RocknRolla ... I think, having missed Revolver and Swept Away, and now having caught this, that I have managed to develop a totally skewed (and enjoyable) perspective on the Guy Richie oeuvre. Not as good as Lock, Stock or Snatch, but certainly cut from the same cloth. It's hard to imagine you won't like this if you liked those, although it takes a little bit longer to put all the pieces in motion. I was disappointed to read that this was part one of a planned trilogy, but that it didn't really do well enough to warrant the other two parts. Bummer, I would have rented 'em.
Guilty Pleasures
- Chocolate ... Much like Ong Bak you have to be willing to overlook a lot and just let the action wash over you. JeeJa Yanin isn't quite the physical presence here that Tony Jaa was there, but she's still impressive.
- Twilight ... While it's a bit slow, and there's very little chemistry between our leads (which is kinda crippling for what is supposed to be an intense romance), and the vampires are modelled a bit too heavily on Duran Duran, I was entertained. Not a bad take on the vampire mythos, I like the sunshine avoidance rationale.
- Wanted ... So absurd. I'm grateful to The Matrix for providing a blanket explanation for movies like these. Bekmambetov's visual style, wild energy, and general all-over-the-placefulness is intact in his first Hollywood foray. It's amazing how many movies get the "mindless fun action" recipe wrong, so it's nice to get one that includes all three ingredients (I mean really, how hard can it be? It's just THREE ingredients. The tricky one is the fun, of course.).
Could Have Missed
- Be Kind Rewind ... The right amount of heart, but not funny enough.
- Bedtime Stories ... Very uneven. The best part was Adam Sandler's ringtone, and the big finish. The kids liked it though.
- Burn After Reading ... The Coens running in one of their more pointless modes. When the humor misses, as it did here for me, there's really not much to grab onto. J.K. Simmons (always good) could be my proxy, as his perplexed exasperation, tinged with occasional wry amusement, pretty much mirrored my own reaction to the movie. Could that have been intentional?
- Choke ... Thin adaptation, uninterstingly directed. I'm thinking based on how few of Palahniuk's books have made it to the big screen, they must be tricky to get right.
- Cloverfield ... The main thing this movie does is underscore how great The Blair Witch Project was. There, the "found handheld footage" gimmick, annoyingly realistic (mostly) characters, and underlit cinematography evoked real horror, while here those elements feel, well, gimmicky, annoying, and underlit (okay, the lighting in both was effective). Of course, I recall folks levelling those same criticisms at Blair Witch, so maybe what Cloverfield really does is underscore how subjective these things are. There's some enjoyable stuff here, and I did like the macro and micro manifestations of the monster, and I think they show the thing just enough and in the right doses. A bit scarier and I might have been able to call this one a guilty pleasure.
- Eagle Eye ... Decently paced, and our actors are game, but it's just too stupid, even for me. It helps if you go into the film thinking science fiction, but even then I'm pretty sure even our nigh omniscient nemesis can't blow stuff up via the Internet that doesn't actually have explosive charges attached to it (like dropping powerlines with great precision). Almost enjoyable enough for a guilty pleasure, but just missed the cut.
- The Forbidden Kingdom ... There's some fun here, but I think anything short of greatness for the first Jackie Chan/Jet Li would have been a letdown, and this fell pretty short.
- Leatherheads ... It's okay, but the chemistry between Clooney and Zellweger never really materializes, and I couldn't help thinking I'd be better off watching a Cary Grant movie than this imitation.
- Hancock ... While I can appreciate a good meditation on the angst and alienation of a one-of-a-kind demigod, there's still so much fun to be had with the idea, and this was just a touch, I dunno, morose?
- Hellboy II ... See my review of the first one. All the same problems, similarly unengaging. I just can't get into these characters. My hopes for the sequel being an improvement came to naught. Decent fight scenes with the prince, though.
- Miracle at St. Anna ... Pretty poor showing from Mr. Lee, I'm sorry to say. He's never been subtle, but this one's a real brow-beater. I think I physically shuddered at the opening scene, where our hero is watching a John Wayne WWII movie and instead of letting us get it from the imagery alone (it was already glaringly obvious) he has the guy ADDRESS JOHN WAYNE'S CHARACTER. Awful. If it weren't Spike Lee I would have turned it off, but it finally started to hook me around 90 minutes in, mostly by pushing buttons, not by any real character or story development. He pushes the buttons well at times, so I'm kinda sorta glad I watched the whole thing, but not really. Oh well.
- Speed Racer ... Possibly the ultimate movie-as-video game movie. I was quite convinced it was awful for a solid half, but then it started inexplicably winning me over. I think I have to largely credit the cast (Susan Sarandon really does a lot with a little), but I was shockingly kinda into the final race. Not so much so that I could call this a guilty pleasure, but I could perhaps empathize with someone who does. On the other hand, if you were to rail away at how much you hated the movie, I could easily understand that too.
Should Have Missed
- Babylon A.D. ... Largely nonsensical, unsurprisingly poor. I knew my hopes for a guilty pleasure were a bit of a long shot going it. Michelle Yeoh is in a bit of a slump. Mélanie Thierry did pretty well, though.
- CJ7 ... Jesus as a little furball of an alien? Not sure the metaphor works, but I'll go with it. It plays into my major complaint with the movie, which is that everybody but the furball is just so mean and unpleasant. Hard to care much about anybody. Stephen Chow was on a roll, but this is a miss.
- Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull ... I really, really want to stick this to rot in my bottommost tier, but I think my low opinion is being amplified by this being a beloved franchise. Really, the movie is bland, blah, mediocre through and through, even down to the map overlays which, instead of evoking old maps and dusty silk roads, are cheap and shiny CGI crap. Fitting though, as the movie has the look of an obvious traipse from soundstage to greenroom and back to the soundstage. How are we supposed to believe Indy's traveling the world when clearly the cast is being shuttled around in golf carts? The action is unremarkable. What should have been a dream cast somehow manages to stink up the joint. The dialog is flat. Can I think of anything nice to say? I think maybe I chuckled twice, and the scene with the ants was the least unremarkable action scene. Maybe the movie didn't outright suck like truly sucky movies do, but it's not for lack of trying. Man, really hard not to stick this in the basement! Maybe after I've seen more of 2008 I'll demote it, but for now it's at least a cut above Doomsday and Jumper.
El Sucko Grande
- Doomsday ... I thought I liked Neil Marshall's other movies, but after witnessing this debacle I have to wonder. I imagine he was trying to manufacture a cult classic, but those things are born, not made (generally). And when you miss the mark... Oof. Take, for example, the 80s mohawk cannibal gang and their big feast. Setting aside the fact that the cannibals are rocking out to a Fine Young Cannibals song (get it? sheesh), as the action is coming to a head and they are about to light the dude on fire, they start passing out paper plates and waving them around. If it were a spoof, fine, very funny, but I think we're kinda supposed to take the bad guys a little bit seriously, and last time I checked you don't really need paper plates when you're planning on ripping your meal apart with your hands. Also, they had the heat up way too high. That guy would have been burned on the outside, and completely raw on in the inside. :-) Anyway, the whole thing's a mess. A messy ball of action, horror, and camp, but with all the bits stuck together in just the wrong ways, with the camp undercutting the action, the action undercutting the horror, etc. Not to mention the characters are about as stale and uninteresting as they get. Too bad Marshall didn't rewatch Aliens beforehand, as that's the textbook example for creating interesting disposable characters.
- Journey to the Center of the Earth ... Wow, between this and The Mummy both finding their way into my bottom tier for the year, it's hard to imagine Brendan Fraser ever climbing out of this hole he's mailed himself into.
- Jumper ... Is this the same Doug Liman who made my beloved Bourne Identity? Jeez, I guess that dude's nothing without Matt Damon and Franka Potente. He's plunged down the precipice that Mr. and Mrs. Smith tottered over. Hayden Manfredsinjinsin is in full-on Anakin mode, but at least they gave him lots of voice-overs. He has the ability to teleport at will, too bad he doesn't also have the ability to keep his thoughts inside his own head. What could have been a cool concept is blown by awful acting, muddy action, a wholly unsympathetic, uninteresting, and shallow hero, weak love interest, and just the general absurdity of the whole "Paladin" v. "Jumper" conflict. So the cool concept just ends up being a dumb juvenile male power fantasy. And you know what? I've had that fantasy already, down to the details of needing to have at least seen the place, and being able to bring stuff with you that you can move, so it's not even an original dumb juvenile male power fantasy.
- The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor ... Terrible script and awful acting collide. Brendan Fraser didn't just mail it in, he pony expressed it. At least, by sucking so much, this movie spared Indy IV the indignity of being bested by a Mummy movie.
Unfinished
- Pineapple Express ... Gave it forty loooong minutes before hanging it up and my wife could only endure twenty. 7.5 on IMDb and RAVES from reviewers deemed pretty darn similar to me by Netflix? "So much more than a stoner comedy." Really? The first forty was nothing but stoner comedy, and "comedy" is a stretch. Maybe it really brings home the bacon in the latter two-thirds, but that's pretty hard to believe.
- Where in the World is Osama Bin Laden? ... Gave this one up about 30 minutes in. Just couldn't get psyched to watch Spurlock wander the world, hammering on various points that I already know well from reading National Geographic. And the whole Bin Laden man-hunt stunt is pretty thin, and is really just a marketing ploy for a movie that's really just about interviewing people about their feelings toward the US (at least for the bit I watched - I assume he doesn't catch him in the end).
- You Don't Mess with the Zohan ... 40 minutes of suck was all I could take.
Unranked
- Gran Torino ... Really don't know where to place this one. On the one hand I personally enjoyed it. On the other hand the supporting cast is so very weak. Intentionally nonprofessional cast, I hear, but still, they detract. Then there's the whole race problem, and I really can't decide where I fall on that one. There's a great discussion on the topic over at The Cooler. Figures, folks there are united in not liking the barbershop scene, which I really enjoyed. Clint's always fun to watch, I'll be sorry if this is his last acting role (rumored).
Cloned From:
The Bank Job is one of the nicer suprises of the year so far. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Shalom, y'all!
L. Bangs
Thanks! I totally agree. I went in with pretty low expectations, and had to keep checking myself: "I think I'm enjoying this. Am I? Why yes, I am! Is this really as good as I think it is? Wow, yeah, it is!"
I loved both The Dark Knight and Iron Man, though I think The Dark Knight is far better. However, chucking my bias and general opinion of the movies themselves, I still think that Christian Bale's performance is much richer than Robert Downey Jr.'s. Downey's was more charismatic and more fun, but Bale's was more rewarding from an emotional and psychological standpoint. Also, I may be one of the few, but I actually think the Batvoice is fucking scary.
Did you hear that Downey said "Fuck DC Comics" because he didn't understand The Dark Knight?
On another tack entirely...I guess that Cloverfield really does underline how subjective its approach is, because I loved it yet did not care for The Blair Witch Project. ;-)
And so this comment isn't totally disagreeable, you are 100% right about Be Kind Rewind. :-)
Ha! I didn't hear that about Downey, pretty funny.
Life would be boring if we agreed all the time, thanks for the thoughts! I do owe The Dark Knight a rewatch one of these days, although for now I stand by my general "good but overrated" assessment. And I was surprised by how flat I found Bale's performance, I usually really enjoy him.
Stephen Chow was on a roll, but this is a miss.
But I didn't perceive everybody as mean, although characters in Chow's movies regularly have the sappy face mimic schtick, so that can detract, I guess.
I think movie's a nice refreshment and really enjoyed seeing it. There's too much sloppy and similarly-styled fantasy adaptation stuff goin' on (some might not agree?), and I'm wholeheartedly embracing the little "rejects", in spite. :=
I dunno, that alien took some serious abuse! I know many of the characters thought it was a sophisticated toy, but still, my six-year-old cried repeatedly. That's not why I didn't like it, I just agreed with her that everybody was pretty lousy.
Re: Let the Right One In
The pool scene is probably the best scene of the year.
The creepy thing is how the film seems to have a happy ending, until you realize the boy is now simply going to become the adult man from earlier in the film…
That's when it nails ya.
Shalom, y'all!
L. Bangs
The pool scene really is amazing, and worth the price of admission alone.
And yeah, I agree, although I also read from some folks that read the book that those relationships are different. That doesn't really bear on the movie itself, which is a separate work, except that I do think the movie leaves it tantalizingly open to debate. Certainly I don't see Okcar in a servant role, at least not initially. He's too young to be of much help, for one thing.
Finally, I can't decide how I feel about the fact that Eli is not, and never was, a girl. Mainly I can't decide if that information is at all relevant to the story or the relationship, and if so, how. Or if it was just a gratuitous twist. Again, I hear the book goes a bit deeper into that, but that's not really relevant here.
By the way, I thought I had my above post in spoiler tages - in fact, my preview showed it correctly - but the post didn't. Whoops! Sorry, all!
I'm off to lunch, but I think the Eli gender question is very interesting…
Shalom, y'all!
L. Bangs
Oh crap, there's a bug that's stripping out the spoiler tags! I had them too. I'll fix that shortly.
Fixed now. Damn, sorry everybody!