HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! That is a LOT of music! I hope that in 30 years I will have caught up to you. There's no ratings, but your top 20 will definitely suffice.
Of course it could change (it's friggin Beethoven!), and I'll be more than happy to upgrade it if it does (Beethoven is my favorite artist of all time) but right now 7.9 seems accurate and I wouldn't rate it higher than 8.0 or 8.1 ... After going through so many rock/jazz tracks and so many albums/films/classical works, I don't (currently) see it higher than that. Do you think it's more amazing than, say, the 1st movement of Beethoven's or Mahler's 9th, or than either half of Black Saint & The Sinner Lady? Or, Coleman's entire Free Jazz album? <--Per 15 minutes, I'd say they're pretty close to equal... but Coleman goes for another 20+ and keeps building up quite a bit more emotion by then (not that you need 35 min ... Bach's Tocatta and Fugue in D Minor...) Anyway, the rating shouldn't be seen as a knock. There haven't been a lot of 15 min or less works rated 7.8+ and even an entire album with that rating is one of the best of all time. Grosse Fuge is incredible, but if one compares it to the overpowering/astonishing level of emotion something like Sister Ray achieves in a very similar running time, I feel there's a wide gap between it and the very top of my list (though I hold the right to change my mind!).
My biggest last discovery is Unxerunt Salomonem by Jean-François Le Sueur, the music that was played on the coronation of Napoleon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPKbhKjpYfk
My biggest last discovery is Unxerunt Salomonem by Jean-François Le Sueur, the music that was played on the coronation of Napoleon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPKbhKjpYfk
Looking through your "Greatest Songs/Tracks/Movements" list, I honestly wouldn't put anything there above it. This is definitely the biggest surprise I've seen on any of your lists.
I listen to it as it's own, and find it remarkable, (perhaps a little more emotional/amazing than, say, Interstellar Overdrive -- though my opinion of Grosse Fuge's greatness vary wildly from time to time [as high as 8.8+ at one point]). Basically, it's the friggin' birth of free jazz!
Große Fuge is one of those works I feel iffy about how to listen to. Should an individual listen to it by itself or as part of his 13th quartet? From what I've read, the Große Fuge was published by itself because of it's incomprehensibility. But should we listen to it as Beethoven originally intended - as being the conclusion of his 13th?
You guys should check out his Fratres, for Violin & Piano. It's a breathtaking work. Extremely nostalgic with a sense of stillness and timelessness. It gives off a sort of feeling like trying to retrace a childhood memory and trying to preserve it in some sort of metaphysical prism. I really suck at describing it, but it's one of those very unique works that leaves you with a feeling that seems impossible to describe. Check out the recording by Kremer & Jarrett.
I re-listened to some of their singles, and now I think I like Joy Division more: I never noticed before how powerful Dead Souls is especially! Definitely my fave JD track after Disorder. Single version of She's Lost Control is just as great as the album version too.
By "posthumous Ceremony release", you mean the New Order single?
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DJ_1337.... Yeah about the Trance... Trance is starting to make a resurgence after a fair few years of being pretty crap...
I like John O'Callaghan, John Askew, Ashley Wallbridge, Andy Moor, Emma Hewitt vocals, Omnia & Aly n Fila... And of course old masters like Paul Oakenfold, BT & Cosmic Gate
Thanks again DJ_1337.... Yeah the Paula Abdul track alright, but again the intro explains that Pop artists' House remixes of their pop songs won't be in the list. Smalltown Boy is a Synth-Pop/New Wave track which doesn't qualify for my list, as explained in the introduction.
The Mark Simmons track is not bad... Got the original Disco/Soul track by Rene & Angela - I'll Be Good... Now that's a classic track.
As it happens Barbirolli is the only recording of the 9th that I've listened to. I see what you mean by omnipotence (Mahler: "For me 'symphony' signifies using all the means of available technique to construct a world for myself"). Perhaps "incessant darkness" was a mischaracterization, but it certainly lacks the engaging diversity and freshness of the fourth, though I think the ninth is probably better overall. I completely agree with your general descriptions of the different movements, but some of the more sluggish/repetitive stretches sometimes leave me feeling a little bored, whereas the few other works of his that I've heard don't demonstrate such a trait. I certainly don't rate the 9th as highly as you do (I think Mozart, Beethoven, Verdi, Coltrane and Puccini--to name a few--did better work, which is no slight) or I once did myself, but I do think that it's one of the best pieces of music I've heard. In any case Mahler is one composer I'd like to commit a lot more time to, as it stands I'm a little shaky on my perception of him, as it has certainly shifted over the last couple of years.
I'm glad Mjongo mentioned Bruno Walter, though, he is near the top of the pile in terms of interpreters I've neglected but am dying to listen to.
Bruno Walter's 1961 Stereo recording of the 9th is my favorite by far, and I've heard at least ten others multiple times (the Barbirolli you linked to, two Karajans, two Bernsteins, Walter's earlier mono recording, Rattle's, Abbado's, Chailly's, and Dudumel's).
New #1 at the top of the list now. Stunning... just stunning... ;)
Oh crap, thanks for the reminder! :)
Awesome find, thanks for the link :)
I checked it out and... WOW. Put 'em all in order now!!!! (just kidding) :)
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! That is a LOT of music! I hope that in 30 years I will have caught up to you. There's no ratings, but your top 20 will definitely suffice.
I will take a look later to Elliott Carter, Ljubica Maric... Thx.
Of course it could change (it's friggin Beethoven!), and I'll be more than happy to upgrade it if it does (Beethoven is my favorite artist of all time) but right now 7.9 seems accurate and I wouldn't rate it higher than 8.0 or 8.1 ... After going through so many rock/jazz tracks and so many albums/films/classical works, I don't (currently) see it higher than that. Do you think it's more amazing than, say, the 1st movement of Beethoven's or Mahler's 9th, or than either half of Black Saint & The Sinner Lady? Or, Coleman's entire Free Jazz album? <--Per 15 minutes, I'd say they're pretty close to equal... but Coleman goes for another 20+ and keeps building up quite a bit more emotion by then (not that you need 35 min ... Bach's Tocatta and Fugue in D Minor...) Anyway, the rating shouldn't be seen as a knock. There haven't been a lot of 15 min or less works rated 7.8+ and even an entire album with that rating is one of the best of all time. Grosse Fuge is incredible, but if one compares it to the overpowering/astonishing level of emotion something like Sister Ray achieves in a very similar running time, I feel there's a wide gap between it and the very top of my list (though I hold the right to change my mind!).
Oh, another classical fans!
I have made an update to my 1000 favorite works list, if you want to take a look:
http://www.listology.com/nance/list/my-favorite-classical-works-top-1000
I didn't rate them, because I CAN'T. :P I would not worry too much about rating: rate them and you can later change your mind.
My biggest last discovery is Unxerunt Salomonem by Jean-François Le Sueur, the music that was played on the coronation of Napoleon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPKbhKjpYfk
And I love Charles-Valentin Alkan more and more lately:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQcmBUc0OQc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSpvaIIDJu4
Did you hear some of the original Carmina Burana?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJKe-gmZyMs
Hey, it's his list. He could put Dubi Dam Dam at the very top if he wanted to.
Hi, other classical fans!
I have made a mega update to my 1000 favorite works list, if someone want to take a look:
http://www.listology.com/nance/list/my-favorite-classical-works-top-1000
I didn't rate them, because I CAN'T. :P
My biggest last discovery is Unxerunt Salomonem by Jean-François Le Sueur, the music that was played on the coronation of Napoleon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPKbhKjpYfk
Looking through your "Greatest Songs/Tracks/Movements" list, I honestly wouldn't put anything there above it. This is definitely the biggest surprise I've seen on any of your lists.
By all accounts, Beethoven was very reluctant to publish the Große Fuge separately. It was only after much urging (along with some extra cash) that he did so. For an excellent read on the topic, check out this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Grosse-Fuge-Beethovens-Difficult/dp/0810...
Your description is spot on. I've heard that recording you mention, it's amazing. I'm going to revisit it soon :)
I listen to it as it's own, and find it remarkable, (perhaps a little more emotional/amazing than, say, Interstellar Overdrive -- though my opinion of Grosse Fuge's greatness vary wildly from time to time [as high as 8.8+ at one point]). Basically, it's the friggin' birth of free jazz!
Große Fuge is one of those works I feel iffy about how to listen to. Should an individual listen to it by itself or as part of his 13th quartet? From what I've read, the Große Fuge was published by itself because of it's incomprehensibility. But should we listen to it as Beethoven originally intended - as being the conclusion of his 13th?
You guys should check out his Fratres, for Violin & Piano. It's a breathtaking work. Extremely nostalgic with a sense of stillness and timelessness. It gives off a sort of feeling like trying to retrace a childhood memory and trying to preserve it in some sort of metaphysical prism. I really suck at describing it, but it's one of those very unique works that leaves you with a feeling that seems impossible to describe. Check out the recording by Kremer & Jarrett.
Have you read any of Dinesen's short stories?
I re-listened to some of their singles, and now I think I like Joy Division more: I never noticed before how powerful Dead Souls is especially! Definitely my fave JD track after Disorder. Single version of She's Lost Control is just as great as the album version too.
By "posthumous Ceremony release", you mean the New Order single?
One of the most favorite is Elena Jane Goulding known as Ellie Goulding, she is an English singer or multi-instrument. Rare people ability to achieved success in very short time. This younger became the second artist to both top the BBC’S annual sound of poll. Now fans ready for her next concerts in different places. ellie goulding concert tickets 2013 are available at ticketdove.com
DJ_1337.... Yeah about the Trance... Trance is starting to make a resurgence after a fair few years of being pretty crap...
I like John O'Callaghan, John Askew, Ashley Wallbridge, Andy Moor, Emma Hewitt vocals, Omnia & Aly n Fila... And of course old masters like Paul Oakenfold, BT & Cosmic Gate
Thanks again DJ_1337.... Yeah the Paula Abdul track alright, but again the intro explains that Pop artists' House remixes of their pop songs won't be in the list. Smalltown Boy is a Synth-Pop/New Wave track which doesn't qualify for my list, as explained in the introduction.
The Mark Simmons track is not bad... Got the original Disco/Soul track by Rene & Angela - I'll Be Good... Now that's a classic track.
As it happens Barbirolli is the only recording of the 9th that I've listened to. I see what you mean by omnipotence (Mahler: "For me 'symphony' signifies using all the means of available technique to construct a world for myself"). Perhaps "incessant darkness" was a mischaracterization, but it certainly lacks the engaging diversity and freshness of the fourth, though I think the ninth is probably better overall. I completely agree with your general descriptions of the different movements, but some of the more sluggish/repetitive stretches sometimes leave me feeling a little bored, whereas the few other works of his that I've heard don't demonstrate such a trait. I certainly don't rate the 9th as highly as you do (I think Mozart, Beethoven, Verdi, Coltrane and Puccini--to name a few--did better work, which is no slight) or I once did myself, but I do think that it's one of the best pieces of music I've heard. In any case Mahler is one composer I'd like to commit a lot more time to, as it stands I'm a little shaky on my perception of him, as it has certainly shifted over the last couple of years.
I'm glad Mjongo mentioned Bruno Walter, though, he is near the top of the pile in terms of interpreters I've neglected but am dying to listen to.
Just for fun (:))--check out my latest obsession: Jussi Bjorling's aria from Eugene Onegin. Left me speechless.
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Wow, that's a statement! I'll check it out within a week. Feel free to remind me if I haven't posted about it on here within 2 weeks :)
Bruno Walter's 1961 Stereo recording of the 9th is my favorite by far, and I've heard at least ten others multiple times (the Barbirolli you linked to, two Karajans, two Bernsteins, Walter's earlier mono recording, Rattle's, Abbado's, Chailly's, and Dudumel's).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUA1A4TukRI