Hey Zach, nice to see you enjoy Silent Hill 2! Probably my favourite game ever, though not without it's short-comings. I'm playing Silent Hill 3 right now and I'm wondering if the symbolism isn't injected far more consistently into the game than in 2. Mind you, 3's story is pretty silly, but I think that the symbolism is just outstanding as it relates to the female psyche. A lot of good psychology going on in parts of that game. I hope to write up some kind of analysis of it, but we'll see if I get that far. I don't see anyone else discussing it on the same level I see for SH2. And personally I think 3 is better.
In fact- yeah. For everyone else: I must warn all homophobes NOT to click the link I posted in that previous comment. You'll end up vomiting all over your keyboard. ... in which if that's the case I'd wish that upon your closed up soul anyway but still for your stomach's comfort, I guess.
It's crazy. But yeah I'm back. After most of the people I used to interract with have seemed to lose interest in trance altogether. Oh well.
You know what's reeeeeeally dumb? Someone plageurized my list. They copied like the first half of it here, put a new title on it (USING THE WORD ELECTRONICA --PUKES--), and thought they could add a little tidbit here and there of their own goodies.
... the thing is... you can tell what's mine because I know how to SPELL. And I know how to use PUNCTUATION, and I SPACE CORRECTLY.
I suppose I could be flattered he liked my list. But I'm not. He didn't even bother to change the descriptions. So apparently he discovered all of the top songs the EXACT same way I did! WE COULD BE SOULMATES! ........
Forget the idea of "ART", that whole philosophical debate is meaningless. And why are you comparing games to film so adamnently? It's a different medium with different potentials. Examples are too many to list. I'm talking about all the major games released this decade. I enjoy playing them, they make me think, they're entertaining. Are they as profound as films? No.
I think the main problem with games today, and actually someone else was touching on it in an above comment, is that they lack cohesion. I haven't played many games (if any) where all aspects come together to give a really complete experience. I mean, you have games like Final Fantasy with it's excellent characters, plot, music, and environments; and then you have this gameplay which is completely removed from everything else. And I think a lot of games have similar problems. However, I certainly don't think that the gameplay is what is holding games back from being brilliant. But it would be nice to see a kind of de-emphazise or reimagining of it. Personally, I would love to play a game where you spend a lot of time walking through environments not necessarily "doing" anything. And there are games that sort of do that.
But more importantly, I am really pleased with the games that are coming out. They definitely meet my qualifications of "art" and I get a lot out of them. Sometimes as much as films or music. Neither of those art forms are as successful at creating a world for you to exist and play around in.
The only place I've ever encountered Hybrid's "Symphony" is on Sasha & Digweed's Northern Exposure Volume 2: East Coast Edition. Last song in the mix. The entire mix is worth listening to. Hell, every mix with the words "Northern" and "Exposure" in the title mixed by Sasha & John Digweed are definitely worth listening to. But yeah, that's the only place I've found that jem. Haha.
I would advice you to read the site of Jon Stromberg. You will enjoy it for sure! I discovered it a few days ago on Google. He is a sales manager and posts abouts events all over the world - and even interesting art ones!
Holy crap, a little late in my reply, no? Like I said, still working on the Olympics and it gets harder and harder to find internet time.
I heard right away when Steve Page was leaving. I can't say I was either surprised nor particularly disappointed. I love BNL, more than any other band, in fact. But I got the feeling for the last few years that Steve was wandering his own path - dare I say even getting lost a bit? I wish him luck in his solo career, but it'll be the rest of the Ladies I'll be following. His voice will truly be missed in that musical ensemble, but Ed has the chops to carry it, I think. Things change, life moves on, and I have a pile of BNL CDs to keep me company when I need some soul soothing.
Examples would be...? And there's that word components. There is not a single video game that is viewed as art by the general public right now. And being generous, that's almost 30 years of history. We had art within about 10 in films. And I do not doubt games have artistic components, I just believe that the overall product is not art. The idea of a spectacular decade is undoubtable, but quality does not equal art.
I don't doubt that. And I'm sure there were people like me then, too, but the most important thing is this: I don't think games are art YET. I haven't denied that they won't ever become art, because it's possible. The vast majority of developers and gamers share the view of the Lumiere Brothers. Games are seen as entertainment.
Halo remains one of the most critically acclaimed video games ever made, and it sequels share high stature. Transformers is considered, critically, mediocre, and its sequel has been roasted by critics. That really is a poor, poor comparison. And I have no idea what Pathologic is, but having played Shadow of the Colossus a great deal, I won't deny it has serious artistic connotations.
But I share the view of a certain developer. I am 75% sure it was Hideo Kojima, but there's always that 25%. Anyway, this developer said that he saw video games as more of a museum (I would say gallery or exhibition, but you get the point). Parts of games could be art: the visuals, the music, but not the gameplay itself or the overall product. This is my view concerning art in games. They can contain art, but right now I don't consider the package art.
They COULD. And extremely young is an exaggeration. They are young, but they are not extremely young. If we start from 1905 like you did, The Birth of a Nation was released in 1915. Widely considered by critics to be one of the first truly artistic films. That's 10 years for art. If we use 1980 for video games, that's 25 years for your examples. I have no doubt you could name some more, but has serious art in video games been created? Serious art in film was created with 10 years.
The first is an excellent, moody take on Brief Encounter. The second takes that simple story, detonates it, and then tries to focus tightly on a few slivers as they fly away. It takes a bare outline of a plot into several blind alleys, a few tangents, and one or two straight paths to foregone conclusions. I am amazed at how one great film lead to such a very different great one. The cinematic feat of the decade, I reckon...
what about David Alvarado - Blue (Smith & Selway Remix)?
Heard it for the fist time on James Holdons essential mix in 2002, and I think its a great track!
Sounds amazing. I hope to enjoy it as much as you have. I'll get back to you on what I think. Thanks.
btw, your list and comments show up all mushed together for some reason. Don't know if it's my computer or some other glitch. It doesn't happen on anyone elses so I'm assuming it's coming from your end.
Even if you don't think that videogames could've possibly hit any era past The New Wave you should at least offer later eras up as a voting choice for those who might.
Good, I'm glad you caught the 142 min version. That's the one I have on my list. Though the original is quite good, the 142 min version is definitely an upgrade.
...I guess Duffy scraped together enough finances and help to unveil his second masterwork of the decade...
I like how by printing that you refuse to type "LOL" you ended up typing it. LOL.
...I am afraid that Mr Bolton would go even bigger though...
Hey Zach, nice to see you enjoy Silent Hill 2! Probably my favourite game ever, though not without it's short-comings. I'm playing Silent Hill 3 right now and I'm wondering if the symbolism isn't injected far more consistently into the game than in 2. Mind you, 3's story is pretty silly, but I think that the symbolism is just outstanding as it relates to the female psyche. A lot of good psychology going on in parts of that game. I hope to write up some kind of analysis of it, but we'll see if I get that far. I don't see anyone else discussing it on the same level I see for SH2. And personally I think 3 is better.
Oooh, me likey. Very sexy!
In fact- yeah. For everyone else: I must warn all homophobes NOT to click the link I posted in that previous comment. You'll end up vomiting all over your keyboard. ... in which if that's the case I'd wish that upon your closed up soul anyway but still for your stomach's comfort, I guess.
Lol. Awww Lassic. Again, you're sweet. You've caused me to have to sound vain for a few moments but I must give an update- I've started modeling. Currently just for fun. The boyfriend got me into it. Here's some of my stuff: Some of it's kind of risque... especially the ones with both Danny and myself together... like the blown up one you see first... yeah...
And now the showing-off of myself shall be done. :D
I can't stop laughing over here. Great discovery. I think I will check to see if anyone had plagiarized my list-or is my soulmate
PS If that picture in the nice little comment you left him is you, I will perhaps offensively say you're kinda cute.
I. Know. Right. ?.
It's crazy. But yeah I'm back. After most of the people I used to interract with have seemed to lose interest in trance altogether. Oh well.
You know what's reeeeeeally dumb? Someone plageurized my list. They copied like the first half of it here, put a new title on it (USING THE WORD ELECTRONICA --PUKES--), and thought they could add a little tidbit here and there of their own goodies.
... the thing is... you can tell what's mine because I know how to SPELL. And I know how to use PUNCTUATION, and I SPACE CORRECTLY.
I suppose I could be flattered he liked my list. But I'm not. He didn't even bother to change the descriptions. So apparently he discovered all of the top songs the EXACT same way I did! WE COULD BE SOULMATES! ........
HOLY CRAP HE'S BACK.
I think I too should start renovations.
you still haven't responded to my question, I guess you have no answer.
and just because you can Google facts about beatles songs does not mean you know anything about "music theory"
this list is quite good though..
And if you are even the slightest bit interested but don't know what "running it" entails be sure to ask. It's really not hard at all.
Forget the idea of "ART", that whole philosophical debate is meaningless. And why are you comparing games to film so adamnently? It's a different medium with different potentials. Examples are too many to list. I'm talking about all the major games released this decade. I enjoy playing them, they make me think, they're entertaining. Are they as profound as films? No.
I think the main problem with games today, and actually someone else was touching on it in an above comment, is that they lack cohesion. I haven't played many games (if any) where all aspects come together to give a really complete experience. I mean, you have games like Final Fantasy with it's excellent characters, plot, music, and environments; and then you have this gameplay which is completely removed from everything else. And I think a lot of games have similar problems. However, I certainly don't think that the gameplay is what is holding games back from being brilliant. But it would be nice to see a kind of de-emphazise or reimagining of it. Personally, I would love to play a game where you spend a lot of time walking through environments not necessarily "doing" anything. And there are games that sort of do that.
But more importantly, I am really pleased with the games that are coming out. They definitely meet my qualifications of "art" and I get a lot out of them. Sometimes as much as films or music. Neither of those art forms are as successful at creating a world for you to exist and play around in.
I enjoyed Zissou and Rushmore much more than The Royal Tenenbaums.
Thanx! Altered! :D
The only place I've ever encountered Hybrid's "Symphony" is on Sasha & Digweed's Northern Exposure Volume 2: East Coast Edition. Last song in the mix. The entire mix is worth listening to. Hell, every mix with the words "Northern" and "Exposure" in the title mixed by Sasha & John Digweed are definitely worth listening to. But yeah, that's the only place I've found that jem. Haha.
It wasn't Askura Alexander Shkuratov's "Destruction of a Russian Space Station," was it?
I would advice you to read the site of Jon Stromberg. You will enjoy it for sure! I discovered it a few days ago on Google. He is a sales manager and posts abouts events all over the world - and even interesting art ones!
Holy crap, a little late in my reply, no? Like I said, still working on the Olympics and it gets harder and harder to find internet time.
I heard right away when Steve Page was leaving. I can't say I was either surprised nor particularly disappointed. I love BNL, more than any other band, in fact. But I got the feeling for the last few years that Steve was wandering his own path - dare I say even getting lost a bit? I wish him luck in his solo career, but it'll be the rest of the Ladies I'll be following. His voice will truly be missed in that musical ensemble, but Ed has the chops to carry it, I think. Things change, life moves on, and I have a pile of BNL CDs to keep me company when I need some soul soothing.
Examples would be...? And there's that word components. There is not a single video game that is viewed as art by the general public right now. And being generous, that's almost 30 years of history. We had art within about 10 in films. And I do not doubt games have artistic components, I just believe that the overall product is not art. The idea of a spectacular decade is undoubtable, but quality does not equal art.
I don't doubt that. And I'm sure there were people like me then, too, but the most important thing is this: I don't think games are art YET. I haven't denied that they won't ever become art, because it's possible. The vast majority of developers and gamers share the view of the Lumiere Brothers. Games are seen as entertainment.
Halo remains one of the most critically acclaimed video games ever made, and it sequels share high stature. Transformers is considered, critically, mediocre, and its sequel has been roasted by critics. That really is a poor, poor comparison. And I have no idea what Pathologic is, but having played Shadow of the Colossus a great deal, I won't deny it has serious artistic connotations.
But I share the view of a certain developer. I am 75% sure it was Hideo Kojima, but there's always that 25%. Anyway, this developer said that he saw video games as more of a museum (I would say gallery or exhibition, but you get the point). Parts of games could be art: the visuals, the music, but not the gameplay itself or the overall product. This is my view concerning art in games. They can contain art, but right now I don't consider the package art.
They COULD. And extremely young is an exaggeration. They are young, but they are not extremely young. If we start from 1905 like you did, The Birth of a Nation was released in 1915. Widely considered by critics to be one of the first truly artistic films. That's 10 years for art. If we use 1980 for video games, that's 25 years for your examples. I have no doubt you could name some more, but has serious art in video games been created? Serious art in film was created with 10 years.
Wow, am I late in noticing this!
The first is an excellent, moody take on Brief Encounter. The second takes that simple story, detonates it, and then tries to focus tightly on a few slivers as they fly away. It takes a bare outline of a plot into several blind alleys, a few tangents, and one or two straight paths to foregone conclusions. I am amazed at how one great film lead to such a very different great one. The cinematic feat of the decade, I reckon...
Shalom, y'all!
L. Bangs
what about David Alvarado - Blue (Smith & Selway Remix)?
Heard it for the fist time on James Holdons essential mix in 2002, and I think its a great track!
Sounds amazing. I hope to enjoy it as much as you have. I'll get back to you on what I think. Thanks.
btw, your list and comments show up all mushed together for some reason. Don't know if it's my computer or some other glitch. It doesn't happen on anyone elses so I'm assuming it's coming from your end.
You know how I feel about the Coens. Hell, I loved INTOLERABLE CRUELTY. But this... this is shit. No idea what everyone's seeing in it.
Omg how embarrassing!!!!!
Even if you don't think that videogames could've possibly hit any era past The New Wave you should at least offer later eras up as a voting choice for those who might.
Good, I'm glad you caught the 142 min version. That's the one I have on my list. Though the original is quite good, the 142 min version is definitely an upgrade.
...I guess Duffy scraped together enough finances and help to unveil his second masterwork of the decade...
I like how by printing that you refuse to type "LOL" you ended up typing it. LOL.
...I am afraid that Mr Bolton would go even bigger though...